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« Reply #360 on: December 09, 2009, 05:34:54 pm »
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Note that the stuff in the brackets is the truncated expansion of . So . In fact which i think is pretty neat :)
lol I knew it looked like Taylor series or something related.

Thanks for that zzdfa :P
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« Reply #361 on: December 09, 2009, 05:41:58 pm »
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Also just another method, if we were to do it intuitively using complement PIE:

Let represent the event where is in the same place.

Let represent the event where is in the same place.

Let represent the event where is in the same place.

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Let represent the event where is in the same place.

We require:





Now we require the complement of this which is given by

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« Reply #362 on: December 09, 2009, 09:16:50 pm »
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Notice how this is analogous to the answer to question 3. This is because "event where is in the same place" is analogous to "flavour is not chosen by any kid"

replacing for because giving freedom to the positions remaining objects is the analogous to giving freedom to the remaining flavours(ie we have n children and each can chose from k-i flavours)
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« Reply #363 on: December 09, 2009, 09:37:41 pm »
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3. Imagine you are going to give kids ice-cream cones, one cone per kid, and there are different flavours available. Assuming that no flavours get mixed, show that the number of ways we can give out the cones using all flavours is

Let the flavours be .

Let represent the set where flavour does not get used.

Let represent the set where flavour does not get used.

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Let represent the set where flavour does not get used.

We require

Let's define an indicator function namely where and where is an universal set that contains all sets



Let

Define








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« Reply #364 on: December 09, 2009, 09:57:38 pm »
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« Reply #365 on: December 10, 2009, 03:17:41 am »
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IMO question:

A permutation of the set where is a positive integer, is said to have property if for at least one . Show that, for each , there are more permutations with property than without.
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« Reply #366 on: December 10, 2009, 11:48:59 am »
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You can count exactly how many permutations satisfy the property:


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« Reply #367 on: December 10, 2009, 11:43:22 pm »
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Do I have to deal with this in Uni Maths? Uni Maths looks so much harder than Specialist - Eigenvalues, three variable graphs, etc.
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« Reply #368 on: December 10, 2009, 11:43:50 pm »
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Do I have to deal with this in Uni Maths? Uni Maths looks so much harder than Specialist - Eigenvalues, three variable graphs, etc.
It's not uni maths, It's just olympiad style problem solving questions.
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« Reply #369 on: December 10, 2009, 11:46:07 pm »
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These problems are a piece of cake


lol i have no fkn idea what is going on >_>
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« Reply #370 on: December 10, 2009, 11:57:17 pm »
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So for the specific case when .

We have the set

To satisfy the condition, the numbers must be adjacent and we can have either where represents an adjacent pair.

To find those that satisfy we need to find:

Using PIE we can find those that doesn't satisfy

Let

Defining an indicator function where with domain such that contains all sets











Now to work out the cardinality of each consider the set and

The first sum is obvious:

The second sum is also pretty obvious:

The third sum is not so obvious since we have terms that equal , eg, .

Thus we need to pick any pairs from the 1st set and any pairs from the 2nd set.

So there are non-zero pairs. Each pair however has 2 ways to rearrange. So the third sum equals

The fourth sum is since we need sets but we only have to pick from.

The fifth sum is also by the same argument as above.

Now we can generalise.

Consider the set

Let represent the adjacent pairs. There are a total of pairs.

To find those that satisfy we need to find

Using PIE we can find the complement of :

Let

Now we define an indicator function where









The first sum equals

The second sum equals

The third sum is a bit tricky since some pairs equal , thus consider all the different pairs placed into sets like this:



We need pairs, since there are sets, we need to pick sets first . But each set contains terms, thus we can have different pairings for each sets.

Therefore this sum equals

The fourth sum is equal to

The fifth sum is equal to

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The last sum is equal to

In total we have



So that means there are a total of sets which does not satisfy .

Now we just have to prove that the number of sets that satisfy is larger than those that don't.

The number of sets that satisfies is equal to .

So we need to prove



First let represent



We see that

But





Next take and for example.

means at least 3 pairs satisfy and means at least pairs satisfy .

But at least 4 pairs is a subset of at least 3 pairs which means

Generalising this leads to

So











fuck yeah good job guys :)
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« Reply #371 on: December 11, 2009, 12:41:34 am »
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let be the absolute value of the ith summand, our sum is therefore:



now one can show algebraically that (1) (by comparing factors).

Moreover I showed algebraically, (but then realised its easier combinatorally) to show that . Therefore:



and so the terms in brackets must all be non-positive and so we get:

(the last part is due too (1) )
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« Reply #372 on: December 11, 2009, 12:55:39 am »
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An obvious simplification is that , which shows the equivalence of both of our results :)
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« Reply #373 on: December 11, 2009, 01:09:31 am »
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A fair effort by each of us. Well done guys!  ;D
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« Reply #374 on: December 11, 2009, 02:24:57 am »
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wowow what a question, very very fun!
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