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Re: TT's Maths Thread
« Reply #720 on: January 12, 2010, 08:25:35 pm »
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Is there even any solutions, TT? :)



My reasoning, may be epic fail ><

If

Then





When ...............[1],







As , substitute x = 0.

..........[2]



Substitute into [1]:







Substituting a = 1, b = 2 into [2]:

Equation is undefined.

Doing the same for

We find that:

...but and are the only solutions.

Substituting them into when , we find that the equation is again, undefined.

Hence no solutions.

I am 90% sure my reasoning is flawed...:)
Don't think you can substitute

Needs some other substitution.

Since the division law doesn't apply here, we need to somehow find a substitution that gets rid of the on the bottom...
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Re: TT's Maths Thread
« Reply #721 on: January 12, 2010, 08:35:43 pm »
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Find and such that

Need to introduce something new here, but what lol

Thanks :P

Rationalising the Numerator gives:


Thus this is true only if the numerator tends to 0, so .

So we sub in and get:



thus and .
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Re: TT's Maths Thread
« Reply #722 on: January 12, 2010, 08:38:49 pm »
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Since the division law doesn't apply here...

It doesn't? Can you elaborate on this, I'm interested. :)

Ok, goes back to hopeless pondering..
Because you have x on the denominator.

Find and such that

Need to introduce something new here, but what lol

Thanks :P

Rationalising the Numerator gives:


Thus this is true only if the numerator tends to 0, so .

So we sub in and get:



thus and .
But if numerator approaches 0 and you limit x to 0 for the denominator we again have a undefined case.

So you can not use
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Re: TT's Maths Thread
« Reply #723 on: January 12, 2010, 08:54:50 pm »
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this might work...



, as





Let's say...







(taking a cue from one of kamil's earlier solutions ;) )
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Re: TT's Maths Thread
« Reply #724 on: January 12, 2010, 08:59:01 pm »
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But if numerator approaches 0 and you limit x to 0 for the denominator we again have a undefined case.

So you can not use

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Division_by_zero

When you have the form where f(x) and g(x) approach 0 as x approaches 0 then this limit may equal a real or infinite value, or may not exist at all.

EDIT:
I should also add that I used L'Hopital's rule, thus the limit did not reach .

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Re: TT's Maths Thread
« Reply #725 on: January 12, 2010, 09:11:56 pm »
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But if numerator approaches 0 and you limit x to 0 for the denominator we again have a undefined case.

So you can not use

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Division_by_zero

When you have the form where f(x) and g(x) approach 0 as x approaches 0 then this limit may equal a real or infinite value, or may not exist at all.

EDIT:
I should also add that I used L'Hopital's rule, thus the limit did not reach .


Cool, but division by 0 in this is still not well-defined?

Also I try not to use L'hopital's theorem whenever possible :P It is too cheap ^.^ That's why I tried to go for more wishful methods haha
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« Reply #726 on: January 12, 2010, 09:18:03 pm »
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But if numerator approaches 0 and you limit x to 0 for the denominator we again have a undefined case.

So you can not use

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Division_by_zero

When you have the form where f(x) and g(x) approach 0 as x approaches 0 then this limit may equal a real or infinite value, or may not exist at all.

EDIT:
I should also add that I used L'Hopital's rule, thus the limit did not reach .


Cool, but division by 0 in this is still not well-defined?

Also I try not to use L'hopital's theorem whenever possible :P It is too cheap ^.^ That's why I tried to go for more wishful methods haha


It is not well-defined.

I do understand your hatred of L'Hopital's rule (I also dislike it) but unfortunately that is the only way to do this question as far as I can see.
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« Reply #727 on: January 12, 2010, 09:21:43 pm »
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But if numerator approaches 0 and you limit x to 0 for the denominator we again have a undefined case.

So you can not use

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Division_by_zero

When you have the form where f(x) and g(x) approach 0 as x approaches 0 then this limit may equal a real or infinite value, or may not exist at all.

EDIT:
I should also add that I used L'Hopital's rule, thus the limit did not reach .


Cool, but division by 0 in this is still not well-defined?

Also I try not to use L'hopital's theorem whenever possible :P It is too cheap ^.^ That's why I tried to go for more wishful methods haha


It is not well-defined.

I do understand your hatred of L'Hopital's rule (I also dislike it) but unfortunately that is the only way to do this question as far as I can see.
Ah okay, awesome thanks, it was a good method nonetheless, but yeah I was looking for more of a substitution method like /0 :P
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« Reply #728 on: January 12, 2010, 10:30:50 pm »
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Re: TT's Maths Thread
« Reply #729 on: January 12, 2010, 10:40:11 pm »
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Re: TT's Maths Thread
« Reply #730 on: January 12, 2010, 10:42:15 pm »
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d'oh, now everyone knows






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Re: TT's Maths Thread
« Reply #731 on: January 12, 2010, 10:44:12 pm »
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d'oh, now everyone knows






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« Reply #732 on: January 12, 2010, 10:45:54 pm »
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Re: TT's Maths Thread
« Reply #733 on: January 13, 2010, 02:50:58 am »
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Hmm

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Re: TT's Maths Thread
« Reply #734 on: January 13, 2010, 02:56:57 am »
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Perhaps think about it a bit longer first, but here's an idea

=\frac{4}{6}lim_{x \to 0} \frac{\sin 4x}{4x} \times \frac{6x}{\sin 6x}