Why does everyone care about VCE so much?

[xXNovaxX]

and also, people (like ninwa if she becomes a musician) who their JOBS are musicians/actors/ect---> most of the arty jobs are all chosen for their PASSION in that area.
most poeple who are playing music, making art and so on as a career, they enjoy working:)
they do not hate working and just want money .__.

I don't consider that working.

expand please? Like what do you mean/why? What do YOU consider as working? Maybe theres a mis-undestanding between us all ><

[xXNovaxX]

I think you are mixing 'hate' and 'enjoy'. If you don't hate it, you will do it for the money. If you enjoy it, well good for you. If people like working so much, why do they look forward to long service, holidays, etc? Isn't it a punishment to keep you away from what you 'enjoy'?

ah nice point in ur final line. That's a valid question.

LOL, i think it comes down to, we are humans ><

[NE2000]

I think you are mixing 'hate' and 'enjoy'. If you don't hate it, you will do it for the money. If you enjoy it, well good for you. If people like working so much, why do they look forward to long service, holidays, etc? Isn't it a punishment to keep you away from what you 'enjoy'?

I think you are making a leap in logic.

Your contention was that no-one enjoys work (as well as suggesting that people are motivated only by money when they choose careers) and your supporting evidence is that people look forward to long service or holidays. But the reason people look forward to long service leave or holidays is that you always need a break. You say that no-one likes working. I think that there are a large number of people who don't like working. But there are also a large number who do enjoy what they do. And these people would see their holidays as a break from work or a chance to go overseas and enrich their lives a bit. A teacher of mine a couple of years ago absolutely loves teaching and is famous for it but went overseas for a term. So what?

No it comes down to the fact that we want money.

What about all those that volunteer for things. I know people who are heavily involved in volunteer work. They don't get anything out of it other than a bit of fulfillment and some interesting times. What about the people who donate that money that we apparently all want to help others.

[TrueTears]

Money is essential, but enjoyment is also essential. One should learn to find a balance between those 2.

[xXNovaxX]

No it comes down to the fact that we want money.

http://www.easytraining.com/motivation.htm  suggests otherwise.

You will find that it is a combination of all the factors in the pyramid, also look at the dot points below, more are about social needs etc than  money

[NE2000]

Money is essential, but enjoyment is also essential. One should learn to find a balance between those 2.

Take TrueTears as an example actually. If TT became a professor in maths and earned a lot of money, then would you say TT doesn't enjoy maths, he's just in it for the money?

Or would you accept that he actually loves math and that's why he's a professor in math...

[NE2000]

OK: Most people don't enjoy working. I don't think this change anything anyway. I don't understand why you are all so furious about it lol.

I'm pretty sure no-one's furious. At least I'm not. Just enjoying this discussion. If anyone would be a bit annoyed it's because you have assumed that everyone's self-interested and that altruism doesn't exist.

[xXNovaxX]

I think you are mixing 'hate' and 'enjoy'. If you don't hate it, you will do it for the money. If you enjoy it, well good for you. If people like working so much, why do they look forward to long service, holidays, etc? Isn't it a punishment to keep you away from what you 'enjoy'?

No it comes down to the fact that we want money.

What about all those that volunteer for things. I know people who are heavily involved in volunteer work. They don't get anything out of it other than a bit of fulfillment and some interesting times. What about the people who donate that money that we apparently all want to help others.

Volunteering is an excellent example.

BTW Ken, nobody, well a least i;m not meaning to sound that I am furious, I think everyone is just trying to see where you're coming from...like there isn't an ANSWER.

Some people are motivated by money
Some people by passion

Nobody can say one's more important than another...simple as that

[vexx]

No it comes down to the fact that we want money.

sure. of course you think that with your distorted views on the world. I'm not even gonna bother with this or the comment before on not considering the Arty professions as working. have a good life being miserable and caring only about money in a job you hate. becAuse trust me, there are better things in life then money- not that you'd know.  
if it makes you feel any better. pretend we are all as miserable as you.
I hope your ignorance about the world doesn't go away becAuSE you'll feel like An idiot when you find out.
good day

edit. sorry slow I'm on a phone.

[xXNovaxX]

Money is essential, but enjoyment is also essential. One should learn to find a balance between those 2.

Take TrueTears as an example actually. If TT became a professor in maths and earned a lot of money, then would you say TT doesn't enjoy maths, he's just in it for the money?

Or would you accept that he actually loves math and that's why he's a professor in math...

I never said no one can't enjoy and want to earn money at the same time

You missed the point.... what's driving True Tears?

[NE2000]

Take TrueTears as an example actually. If TT became a professor in maths and earned a lot of money, then would you say TT doesn't enjoy maths, he's just in it for the money?

Or would you accept that he actually loves math and that's why he's a professor in math...

I never said no one can't enjoy and want to earn money at the same time

No one likes working. Pay is the motivation to work.

That's just how I interpreted it then I guess. soz

[NE2000]

If you enjoy it then good for you. But if you don't then the only motivation is your weekly pay.

basically agreed then cool

Although I'm still a bit uncomfortable with the assumption of self-interest but anywayz

[xXNovaxX]

I just found this article which I think fits in perfectly

"     I remember when Evanescence blasted through the gates when their first album, “Fallen,” came out. For a few months, they were the talk of the music world (at least to those who loved their combination of heavy metal and gothic rock). But as quickly as they sold 15 million copies of “Fallen,” they sank just as fast when their second album fizzled.

Despite the steep slide, Evanescence is still busy out on the road and is working on a third album, with a release date of some time in 2010. Continuing after a blizzard of bad breaks is really the only thing a musician can do. It’s an admirable trait that proves you can never stop a musician from making music.

KEY POINT >>>>>I’ve seen this kind of undying passion firsthand, as I know a few musicians myself. And while none of them has hit the dizzying heights experienced by Evanescence, they’ve climbed some pretty impressive hills<<<<<<. One friend’s band, The Unband, toured with Def Leppard, was included in the "Scary Movie" soundtrack and got to shoot a video with Billy Squier and a bunch of hot models.   "


Basically Evanescence's group all broke up except 1 or 2 people, and their second album was a complete flop, yet they still plan to return.....but why would a band who already have enough money too live of till they die, keep wasting time making more music.....well because of the passion. They don't need money anymore, but it comes with it as a bonus.

SOURCE: http://www.uticaod.com/lifestyles/x1945276809/David-Rogers-The-Icky-music-shuffle

[m@tty]

Well this is what I was going to post before it got deleted...

No one likes working. Pay is the motivation to work.

Most of the factors associated with job satisfaction are intrinsic.

But you must maximise how much you like it. If you work in a field you love then it doesn't feel like work.
It is also a question of how far will you go to get more money. Would you abandon your hobbies and interests? Would you sacrifice family and friends? If you insatiably chase money you will end up with nothing else but work. In the end what can money buy? How important is money? What do people normally so with their excess money anyway? They invest it, for what? To get more money. You really only need enough money to live and retire comfortably for yourself [including family] and to be able to help those around you.

Would you want to work a job that you dislike 50 hours a week until your 70-75 just because when you were young you cared only for money?

[Ilovemathsmeth]

I want to be an Actuary because I love Maths and also because it's well rewarded.

I consider it a privilege, to have found a career pathway that is what I'm interested in and holds great rewards.

I think it's wrong to dismiss everyone as 'in it for money' because most people are often in something because they enjoy it. Imagine how you'd feel waking up every day if you had to do a job you didn't like. You'd feel so depressed, even if it paid heaps.