How many students commit suicide from a low ENTER?

[kyzoo]

Hes the perfect example why English shouldnt have to be in your top 4 too. You should have to do an english study but not top 4 IMO. Its most likely the thing that will fuck me over.

0.o he got 50 for Lit

[amirite?]

Hes the perfect example why English shouldnt have to be in your top 4 too. You should have to do an english study but not top 4 IMO. Its most likely the thing that will fuck me over.

0.o he got 50 for Lit

I knew that...

I must have seen someone before who got 2-3 49's 2 50's, a 48 and then a 43 for english. Its in someones sig. They only.. "only".. got 99.70.

[EvangelionZeta]

Hes the perfect example why English shouldnt have to be in your top 4 too. You should have to do an english study but not top 4 IMO. Its most likely the thing that will fuck me over.

0.o he got 50 for Lit

I knew that...

I must have seen someone before who got 2-3 49's 2 50's, a 48 and then a 43 for english. Its in someones sig. They only.. "only".. got 99.70.

The only way I can see this working is if they revamp the way scaling works.  If this were to happen, humanities students wouldn't stand a chance against the onslaught of MHS kids with their quadruple 45+ scores in Methods/Spesh/Chemistry/Physics.

But yeah, it's a tired debate.  Humanities students are generally going to be in favour of a top 4 English, and Maths/Science students are generally going to be against it.  :p

[kyzoo]

Haha I'm a Maths/Science student and I'm in favour of top 4 English.

[QuantumJG]

If English wasn't in the top 4, most students would end up getting higher aggregates, but this wouldn't mean that they would necessarily get a higher ENTER. If everybody got a higher aggregate, then the aggregate to get say a 90 may be higher than what it would have originally been.

So I'm going to say keep the original plan. But it does kind of suck when you beat your mates in the maths/science subjects, but because they did better in English they get a higher ENTER. We could force doing a maths into the curriculum to force everyone to do something they are weak at and maths is just as useful as English.

[kyzoo]

Err, I'm in favour of top 4 English because if English wasn't forced on me I would have never learned how to appreciate a novel, or how to appreciate writing as an activity; I would have just hated writing for the rest of my life and doing English has prevented this.

[Collin Li]

Err, I'm in favour of top 4 English because if English wasn't forced on me I would have never learned how to appreciate a novel, or how to appreciate writing as an activity; I would have just hated writing for the rest of my life and doing English has prevented this.

Doesn't work on everyone though. I still dislike most fiction, and did not gain any value from VCE English!

[spontaneouscombustion]

Err, I'm in favour of top 4 English because if English wasn't forced on me I would have never learned how to appreciate a novel, or how to appreciate writing as an activity; I would have just hated writing for the rest of my life and doing English has prevented this.

English has the opposite effect on most people

[Eriny]

Back to the topic at hand, I think most people bounce back pretty well from not getting the score they wanted. After all, you know going into the VCE that it's entirely possible that it'll be easier/harder than you expect. If someone kills themselves after results come out, I'd say that chances are, there would be a lot more going on there. An otherwise happy student wouldn't kill themselves over a number, it could only be a contributing factor. That said, I could easily see how it could be the straw to break the camel's back, so to speak.

[amirite?]

Has anyone ever filed a law suit against the VCAA for harm suffered?

[kyzoo]

Maybe those students entered some all-or-nothing gambling deal where they if they win (get higher than score X), they win everything, and if they lose, they lose everything.

Sorry if I'm being facetious and irrelevant , I can't help myself after reading Akagi yesterday.

[boysenberry]

Maybe those students entered some all-or-nothing gambling deal where they if they win (get higher than score X), they win everything, and if they lose, they lose everything.

My friend bet $50 he would beat another student it terms of higher Study Score in Business Management. Hope he doesn't commit suicide. 

[appianway]

I think the number of suicides due to low ENTERs is less important than the number of students with depression due to (in part or whole) the stresses of the school system.

Personally, I think a system that didn't publish ranks and only gave raw marks would be luch better. There wouldn't be the same pressure to be the best, and students would actually know how accurate they were.

[vitir]

I like how the bulk of this thread is irrelevant to the subject.

How about renaiming it?

[QuantumJG]

Err, I'm in favour of top 4 English because if English wasn't forced on me I would have never learned how to appreciate a novel, or how to appreciate writing as an activity; I would have just hated writing for the rest of my life and doing English has prevented this.

Doesn't work on everyone though. I still dislike most fiction, and did not gain any value from VCE English!

This didn't work on me either, I hate fiction and I got no value from VCE English.