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Re: Bucket's Questions
« Reply #285 on: October 09, 2008, 01:31:30 am »
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from the 2008 exam 2:
the simultaneous equations and have a unique solution for:

answer is m: R\{-6,6}

i didnt understand what they were saying in the assessment report :S
If then clearly is the unique solution. So assume that .
Then we multiply the first expression by and the second by such that the simultaneous equations read and . Subtracting the former from the latter, we find that .
Now if then this is saying that , which is impossible. Thus there cannot be a solution if .
If , then we can divide through by to find that , which we can then substitute back into the original equation to find the corresponding -coordinate . This is the unique solution for .

Graphically, the reason why the simultaneous equations don't have a solution when is because the lines are parallel at that point: substituting these values of back into the original equations and making the subject yields the pairs of equations and , which, as they have different -intercepts, are clearly parallel.


On this thought, you could really just rearrange them to be the equations of lines. If then clearly is the unique solution. So assume that . Then the original equations can be rearranged to read and . These have the same gradient when , which is the same as when . In this case, however, they have different -intercepts, and so are clearly parallel, and in Euclidean geometry, parallel lines never intersect, so there is no solution. If, on the other hand, , then the lines aren't parallel. As straight non-parallel lines intersect exactly once in Euclidean geometry, it follows that there exists a unique solution given by the coordinates of the point of intersection.
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Re: Bucket's Questions
« Reply #286 on: October 09, 2008, 01:58:55 am »
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Wow. Very well explained humphdogg, thanks a lot :).

I know this isn't really helping but which question in 2007 Exam 2? I can't seem to find it. I'd like to have a look at what I did as I've done this exam. Interesting question raised, bucket. :)
This was question 5 in the multiple choice... seems a bit much for a multi choice question. :S but I guess people who understand the theory well would pick it up quickly by elimination.
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Re: Bucket's Questions
« Reply #287 on: October 09, 2008, 02:11:39 am »
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This was question 5 in the multiple choice... seems a bit much for a multi choice question. :S but I guess people who understand the theory well would pick it up quickly by elimination.
VCAA 2007 Exam 2? Because Q5 of multiple choice is an antidifferentiation question.

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« Reply #289 on: October 09, 2008, 02:35:44 am »
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Oh! I do non-CAS hehe. Thanks for clearing things up.

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Re: Bucket's Questions
« Reply #290 on: October 13, 2008, 12:34:08 am »
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This is from 2007 exam 1. =\

is a point on the line such that the length of , the line segment from the origin to , is a minimum. Find the coordinates of and this minimum length.
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Re: Bucket's Questions
« Reply #291 on: October 13, 2008, 12:50:22 am »
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This is what I did. Sorry if this doesn't exactly make sense.
You want the line that is perpendicular to the point P. (Shortest distance).



This is the gradient of the tangent.

is the gradient of the normal. (This is what we want as this crosses P).

Using and substituting (origin) we find that the equation of the normal is

Now just make

You can find from solving the above then sub into either equation to find coordinate.

Then using (distance formula), you can find the distance between O and P.


Hope I was able to help. :)
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« Reply #292 on: October 13, 2008, 12:54:30 am »
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ah, thanks a lot man =]
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Re: Bucket's Questions
« Reply #293 on: October 13, 2008, 12:57:47 am »
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Another approach:



Therefore the distance of the line from the origin at any is the distance between the points:

and

Let be this distance:









I know the stationary point will be a minimum, because the original function is the square root of a parabola with a local minimum. Since the square root function is monotonic increasing (1 to 1, and always has a positive gradient), I can conclude that the original function, , will have a local minimum too.

Minimum occurs at:

Therefore, minimum distance: and,

Coordinates of :

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« Reply #294 on: October 13, 2008, 01:00:21 am »
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Another approach: ...
Ah nice approach Coblin. My mind isn't as flexible.
I'll keep that method hot in my mind. Might come in useful some time.

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Re: Bucket's Questions
« Reply #295 on: October 13, 2008, 01:01:19 am »
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Another approach: ...
Ah nice approach Coblin. My mind isn't as flexible.
I'll keep that method hot in my mind. Might come in useful some time.

Your method is more clever, IMO.

I presented my method because it's the "hack method" approach. You don't need to have a good grasp of geometry to do it this way. ;)

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Re: Bucket's Questions
« Reply #296 on: October 13, 2008, 08:32:33 pm »
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This is from 2007 exam 1. =\

is a point on the line such that the length of , the line segment from the origin to , is a minimum. Find the coordinates of and this minimum length.
goddamit I remember this question.. But I added the distance up wrong and got .. so frustrating haha, I knew as soon as I came out of the exam as well..

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Re: Bucket's Questions
« Reply #297 on: October 13, 2008, 10:44:01 pm »
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This is from 2007 exam 1. =\

is a point on the line such that the length of , the line segment from the origin to , is a minimum. Find the coordinates of and this minimum length.

Another take on dekoyl's idea of perpendicular lines:

(this is mainly for specialist students, and is quite useful when solving vector questions in specialist)

define .  This vector defines the line from the origin to a point P on the line [yex]y = 10 - 2x[/tex].

also, we find: is the vector of the tangent of the curve at point P.

We wish to find the situation where the line and the curve are normals to each other (i.e, they are perpendicular)

Sowe wish to find when (remembering our dot product identities)



so is the minimum distance of the line OP and P has the coordinates .


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Re: Bucket's Questions
« Reply #298 on: October 17, 2008, 12:34:03 am »
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Ok, so my methods teacher kind of didn't bother to teach our class anything about 'general solutions of circular function equations' and since one of those questions popped up in the MAV 2008 exam I though I'd try to teach them to myself...having a tiiiinnyyy bit of difficulty with some questions though.

1. The general solution for an equation is Find the solutions for the interval
nevermind...

2. Find the general solution for and use this to find the solutions for the interval
dw about this one anymore :P


thanks glockmeister
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« Reply #299 on: October 17, 2008, 12:50:46 am »
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