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Where do you stand on the issue of using smart drugs

No - In any circumstance/ Other / Overall
No - Because it is dishonest/immoral
No - Because of the health risks
Yes - In any circumstance/other/overall
Yes - I'm up against everyone else and have to be competitve/ I would if a large portion of people were
Yes - The benefits outweigh the risks & moral issues - If there were no health risks

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Introduction: A couple days ago i read an article about university and high-school students (especially those going to prestigious schools who have a huge pressure to excel) using smart drugs.

I don't like the world "drug" in the title to be honest, which is why i hope people read this post. It kind of gives it a negative perception, these aren't something you'd obtain from a guy in an alleyway, more likely from an internet pharmacy or someone who has a condition that warrants these medications. When you think about it, aspirin or cough mixture is a "drug".  So just keep these in mind as simple substances or chemicals.

If you read the list of substances on wikipedia (which is quiet extensive), you have things as common as vitamin B5 and caffeine and on the other end of the spectrum things such as pharmacy only medications which you need a subscription (these treat conditions such as dementia or ADD)


Where would you draw the line?

Is caffine cheating? I myself took caffeine tablets during my exam to help keep me alert and awake because i wasnt getting much sleep. Vitamins, most people wouldnt considered cheating but how about if they were concentrated and marketed as study aids. What about herbs such as ginkgo biloba which have proven to effect memory (it has some rare side effects, also see bottom of the post), would you consider this cheating now?

I know a lot of people would draw the line at dementia drugs and such, however drugs like these typically have the greatest enhancing effect.

Health Consequences

There is also a spectrum of health effects as well, caffeine and B-Vitamins wont affect you much, however ginko, since it causes blood vessel dilation and such has caused (very rare) issues in people with previous conditions such as high blood pressure or a weak heart, it also increases the chance of a stroke, a teenage girl had a stroke when she was taking ginko and combined it with nurofen. The dementia, ADD, ect drugs may have the worst side effects but some like piracetam have very few or no side effect.


Where do you stand?

Sorry for the bad poll questions but its really hard to think of how to make a poll for such a subject like this.

Would you not take them because you considered it cheating OR because of the potential health risk, OR you would just not take them for the overall package or idea or another reason?

OR

Would you take them because over all they seem like a mostly good idea OR its just you and your up against everyone else so why not (competitive enviroment) OR Would you consider taking them if there were no ill effects?

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Note 1: I do not actually recommend or condone you go out and try any of these treaments on a whim, especially without first consulting a doctor or at least reading the label and doing some research. Don't hold me responsible if you hurt yourself /die / start seeing elvis in your refrigerator :knuppel2: . Some of them (such as ginkgo) can (very rarely) have seriously and sometimes life threatening interactions.

Note 2: According to the source of information i used (in this case wikipedia), the memory enhancing effect of ginko has been disputed.

Note 3: Some of these drugs may be difficult to import into australia and might also be slight shady legally, again i take no responsibility for what you go out and do.
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Re: Thoughts on using "Smart Drugs" to increase academic performance [poll]
« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2010, 02:51:29 am »
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As you have said, there is nothing wrong with taking vitamins/herbal supplements.  I don't really have a problem with any over the counter medications.  They are there for ANYONE to use.  Also if a doctor has prescribed medicine to someone for a valid reason, then I am also okay with that.  Not really big on people getting there hand on drugs that they shouldn't really have though.  Not for any reason.  Sadly it seems that many doctors are pretty lenient as to what they prescribe to their patients nowadays.
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Re: Thoughts on using "Smart Drugs" to increase academic performance [poll]
« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2010, 03:14:27 am »
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I always smash some Red Bulls during take-home exams - if you have 48 hours to complete an exam, then every hour you sleep is pretty much a wasted hour (72- and 106-hour take-homes are too long to go without sleep though).
Here's an interesting case. It doesn't mention the famous story about Erdos:
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After his mother's death in 1971, a doctor prescribed amphetamines as antidepressants, and Erdös continued taking small daily doses under medical supervision. But friends were concerned and offered him $500 if he could give them up for one month. Erdös warned his friends "You are setting mathematics back a month," but he won the bet. He was quoted during that month as saying, "Before, when I looked at a piece of blank paper my mind was filled with ideas. Now all I see is a blank piece of paper.
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Re: Thoughts on using "Smart Drugs" to increase academic performance [poll]
« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2010, 03:18:54 am »
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never had any tea/coffee during the exam period (strictly forbidden by mum), she was, however lenient on the day of the english exam. knowing that i have had only 5 hrs of sleep due to anxiety, she let met me have 3 sips of extremely bitter tea to keep me alert. another several sips before the spesh exam one.

caffeiens? short term, yes. long term, nononono.
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well the limit can turn into a threshold..

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« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2010, 03:28:33 am »
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Monokekie:I drink tea and other caffeinated things on a fairly regular basis and i feel pretty ok. Whats bad with it long term?

Humph: That reminds me of something actually. I was on a graduate medicine forum because i was looking for umat information and such. One of the interns on the forum was talking about how a doctor in his 80's told him "We use to be able to go down to the pharmacy and get 100 methamphetamine tablets for a shilling, everyone down at the university used to take them". Which i thought was quiet interesting, being a doctor and all.


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« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2010, 03:49:24 am »
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Monokekie:I drink tea and other caffeinated things on a fairly regular basis and i feel pretty ok. Whats bad with it long term?

do you usually have them in the morning? mm, maybe it doesn't apply to everybody, purhaps i am too sensitive to caffeines.

my mama says(as cliche as it sounds) it will affect my body-clock, and sometimes cause some addiction.

once, i snickily bought some coffee without telling my mum, and had them after dinner because i usually can't concentrate at that time and i have a chem sac the next day(wanted to experiment). as a result, i couldn't fall asleep during the night and my body felt extremely exhausted, my eyelid kept on closing but my mind can't fall asleep. and.. i slept until 11 am, didnt set the alarm and missed the SAC -_- had to do it on the wendnesday afternoon....
well the limit can turn into a threshold..

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« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2010, 03:54:01 am »
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Oh yeah maybe you wernt use to it and coffee is pretty strong. If your not use to heaps of it and you take heaps of it youll feel pretty bad i reckon... those caffeine tablets kept me awake but i felt terrible. Tea / Coffee doesnt do much to me anymore though.

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« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2010, 05:34:11 am »
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I always smash some Red Bulls during take-home exams - if you have 48 hours to complete an exam, then every hour you sleep is pretty much a wasted hour (72- and 106-hour take-homes are too long to go without sleep though).
Here's an interesting case. It doesn't mention the famous story about Erdos:
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After his mother's death in 1971, a doctor prescribed amphetamines as antidepressants, and Erdös continued taking small daily doses under medical supervision. But friends were concerned and offered him $500 if he could give them up for one month. Erdös warned his friends "You are setting mathematics back a month," but he won the bet. He was quoted during that month as saying, "Before, when I looked at a piece of blank paper my mind was filled with ideas. Now all I see is a blank piece of paper.

  heh, he certainly knew his worth :P

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« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2010, 09:12:52 am »
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Caffeine is great :) but I don't drink coffee, so I usually get my intake from coke.
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« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2010, 09:37:07 am »
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I'm fine with people having caffeine and vitamins, but using these drugs that are to treat other medical conditions that have performance enhancing effects is dangerous to your health.

The morning of an exam I'll get a coffee, but I can't take caffeine tablets or drink energy drinks (I get anxiety from them). There is no better way to keep alert the next day than a good night sleep. 
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Why use drugs? Half an hour of exercise a day can make a huge difference :)
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Why use drugs? Half an hour of exercise a day can make a huge difference :)

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« Reply #13 on: January 13, 2010, 11:19:33 am »
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Why use drugs? Half an hour of exercise a day can make a huge difference :)

Use both. Even if you only think that the 'drugs' are having an effect (a psychological effect), it will calm you down.
Side effects isn't a common issue, but stick to the safer ones if you are going to take them.
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« Reply #14 on: January 13, 2010, 01:18:24 pm »
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If the word "drug" has a negative connotation, then we just need to replace it - potion. Would you like to consume a potion that augments your intelligence?

And I agree with Mao, exercise is magical.
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