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[doboman]

A VCE "service" does not have to be a scam for it to be harmful to students. Time that they waste poring over his material to learn one tiny thing (and learning detrimental/confusing things) could be better spent on more productive avenues of study. Time is precious during VCE.

That's very true. I agree with you here, you are 100% right. But this is your opinion on the product. Maybe you dont like learning through this method, maybe you'd rather be tought some other way. But everybody learns differently, just because you didn't find it helpful doesnt mean others wont.

 
Also, my post is well protected under the defamation act, as I actually reviewed the product and my criticisms were backed up by substantive evidence and valid argument.

So wait, are you saying that if you had attended the other program which you posted a warning about (can't remember it's name), then you would have left it on the boards? That's just a question, not attacking you in that one. But then again, I know absolutely nothing about the law...

You have made your attack on me based on my position/reputation, yet you have failed to rebut any of my 10 points arguing for why the product is damaging/not worth a look.

Uhh, that's why I said that I agree that it's not perfect. I never said what you said was wrong, simply because what you said wasnt wrong. I don't know why you brought that up? But I am saying, in your position, and the extreme bias, as an observer, I didn't beleive your outright attack on this was needed. Your bias played a factor in you condemnation of Flushers product - and I didn't appreciate it.

Am I now not allowed to have an opinion, simply because I run this website and have founded a tuition company?

I'm not going to tell you if you're allowed to have an opinion or not. You make your own decisions. But when there is personal affiliations, peoples opinions seem to change, and that's what I've mentioned here. Am I wrong in doing so? Personal affiliations are very pwoerful and can mask your perception on reality - and thats why people shouldnt get involved if they were ment to be remain indifferent but have an affiliation. eg: that's why GPs, dentists, physios etc are told not to treat family members. Similarly, thats why if youre going for an interview and you know somebody on the board, you have to declare it [and in many many other cases where personal affiliation is expected to cause a bias and change or modify somebody's opinion. Am I wrong in pointing that out, enwiabe?

And then one has to wonder, why you've targeted only me, when there are myriad other posters (including global moderators if you want to go the autocratic + reputation route) who have posted things similar to me?

Mum, Josh also made the farting sound with his mouth, why are you only screaming at me....



Lastly, I want to point out that I don't think Flushers product is 100% perfect. I am indifferent towards the actual product. However, what I'm saying is, and I want to be very clear Enwiabe, I just beleive that your personal affiliation causes a bias on your attack of this product and personally I wanted to voice my opinion.

[ninwa]

Ninwa, I don't know how to count?!! you're picking on my counting abilities? What the hell?? I'm an entrepreneur, not a mathematician.

I thought you were a "lawyer"?
And that's a bit hypocritical considering one of YOUR arguments was "go have some sex".

Also - how come no one has mentioned Ninwa is Enwiabe's girlfriend? You said you were a part of enwiabe's TEAM, never mentioning you're his girlfriend!! And to think you guys were giving me a hard time for being 'affiliated' with flusher?!

Learn to read, dear.

I will happily admit that as enwiabe's partner, I am obviously biased towards XLL and VN.

However, I don't think that makes anything I've brought up in this post: http://vcenotes.com/forum/index.php/topic,22225.msg225866.html#msg225866 any less legitimate.

I also don't appreciate you dredging up (via stalking) my full name and telling a forum full of strangers. It smacks of a lack of integrity.

Also, Nina, you must tell your boyfriend to relax - he's a complete tyrant and power hungry to the max.

How?

Ninwa (Nina) - just so everybody knows, you've accused flusher of misleading and deceiving: I've asked you to give me your case in relation to 252 TPA, but you still haven't. Maybe you could start with that instead of this next thing you're mentioning - saying enwiabe's comments are not defamatory?

Perhaps when you back up your claims that enwiabe's comments are defamatory.

I cant believe students who aren't in year 12 anymore still frequent this forum so much. I'm here because I care about my man and what he is doing on mathsmethods.com, otherwise I wouldn't even know this forum existed?!! Or even cared for that matter.

Did you not see the tertiary education forum? Some of us choose to stay and impart our experiences to future VCE students.

And now.....to remove myself from this 'online community' for good...

Still waiting...

[enwiabe]

Guys - if you didn't know - it's great to be passionate about mathematics, but the whole schooling system (including university) is designed to keep you in debt and keep you in the rat race (9-5 job), and then you get your little 4 week annual leave every year (yay!??). It's much to the satisfaction of the reserve bank (which actually isn't even a bank and actually HAS no reserves) and the ridiculously rich that you are so passionate about maths. They want more academics etc, it keeps them in power and keeps their 'system' well lubricated and running along well. Flusher knows this and doesn't want his students to get over-involved in the furor of VCE and getting a 'career' when there are so many other options and so many more important things in life.

Flusher doesn't want his students to study themselves to death and he knows and wants his students to have options and to still have a life. He thoroughly enjoys maths - and refused to study more than a couple of hours a week in year 12, and still got 98.5.

Rofl at the hypocrisy and the lunatic conspiracy theory. Guys, these are the choice paragraphs to read. Note that these two epitomise the rat race. Flusher "loves" maths, yet did a Bachelor of Physiotherapy? Hmmm, I wonder why. Could it be the much higher salary?

Also, how much more in the rat race can you be than being a lawyer? Most high profile lawyers (partners/associates etc.) get even less than 4 weeks leave. More like 2.

[enwiabe]

I think my girlfriend has just said it all, and to be honest, i don't really want to waste any more of my time writing on this thread.

Bye-bye then

Now I understand how pathetic and how sad some ppl are, seriously I am not going to waste more of my time coming to speak to you face to face. However if you continue this act of defamation, then I know where you are. Grow some balls next time and talk to me like a man. don't just hide in a corner in front of your computer screen and say shit just to make yourself feel more important.

You've done most of the "keyboard warrior" stuff. Physical intimidation (coming to "visit me"), smack talk, personal insults, legal threats etc. It all paints a rather hilarious picture of you, likely with your arms flailing, desperate to stop me from exposing the fallacies of what you've been writing.

My arguments are backed up with evidence. You've barely addressed any of my evidence based arguments, and in fact, 7 out of my 10 points in that famous post that shut you up for a good 36 hours remain unanswered. Better get to it.

In the end, it's the students who will perceive the value. So let them judge for themselves. I've received over a dozen of wonderful support emails from students since the launch of MathsMethods.com. And obviously if they find value, they will come back. There's obviously a reason why they wrote those emails to me.

I'm sure you have

If you're a student, go and judge for yourself, here it is again, www.MathsMethods.com,

The verdict is in. I think perhaps 2-3 people other than yourself and your girlfriend have posted positively in this thread about your product. Cf 10+ in the negative. You're only having a go at me because I'm a figurehead. That's fine, but you've really got your head in the sand if you think I'm the only one with this opinion.

[QuantumJG]

Most of my professors don't sound like people running around in a rat race. Anyway a lawyer (apart from Denny Crane) would be a example of someone in a rat race, and physiotherapy wouldn't be any different.

Anyway there is a saying "find your dream job and you will never have to 'work' again" so I guess aslong as you are enjoying your job, then it's not work. Also purrkat and flusher keep saying 'we are leaving', but I keep seeing you guys making threats.

 

[ninwa]

Teachers and tutors aren't meant necessarily meant to tutor for "correctness" nor "results".

Not attacking you, genuinely curious because I'm not a maths person. (This question is also directed at the other maths pros around here)

Can you really teach students what is "mathematically incorrect" and still have them get good SS's? How does that work?

[QuantumJG]

Teachers and tutors aren't meant necessarily meant to tutor for "correctness" nor "results".

Not attacking you, genuinely curious because I'm not a maths person. (This question is also directed at the other maths pros around here)

Can you really teach students what is "mathematically incorrect" and still have them get good SS's? How does that work?

I don't really know.

In methods SACs if we got the right answer, but our mathematical justification wasn't correct (in terms of reasoning) we would have marks taken off us.

In uni it's even emphasized more and our tutor in linear algebra would heavily mark down on assignments lacking correctness.

[Collin Li]

I'm not sure either. I lean towards correctness as well. I keep telling my students to stop alternating between dy/dx and f'(x), but some never listen...

Sometimes it's alright to leave out the finer details though (as per my example above with oxidation numbers).

[danielf]

oh and could we get rid of this whole thread? I don't mean to demand or anything but it has swearing, sex-references, and is distracting for students looking for tutors. It ain't what new members come here to see. That said, a leal studies student might learn a bit.

[m@tty]

Wow, she actually went.
I agree, this thread should be deleted: quite a useless argument.

[dekoyl]

Wow, she actually went.
I agree, this thread should be deleted: quite a useless argument.

Haha. Purrkat went? What happened?

[doboman]

Wow, she actually went.
I agree, this thread should be deleted: quite a useless argument.

Why should the thread be deleted? If you want to delete certain posts, that's fine, but the point remains that flusher is advertising his product (in the advertising thread).

Also, I want to add, people releasing someones personal information on the internet is the lowest measure in life. That is just sad.

[Mao]

An improvement from 20 --> 35 can be done without mathematical correctness, and to some students that is a phenomenal result. I sometime teach without any focus on mathematical correctness. It's the outcome that's important - to help my student get to the course he wants.


@Students: don't be discouraged by the academic turkey-slapping. It's free materials, you might as well use it, especially if you are academically able and you can see past the non-rigorous maths, and appreciate the tricks and logic beneath.


After skimming through the arguments, I find myself increasingly inclined to agree with flusher, and I have no doubt his style of teaching would be highly beneficial and effective in its delivery to certain types of students. Drawing y=3x not through the origin might be a joke to some, but so long as it gets the point across right? If it is such a hideous act to commit, I should probably ban myself from tutoring soon.

I take back the accusations and bitter tone I used when first addressing *purrkat*, I now see her position is valid, and I support some of the things she said.

I am quite alarmed (but can't say I'm surprised) by the herd mentality of many members who posted in this thread.

That is all I have to add, without joining in an argument where people pursue it for the sake of winning the argument.

[Collin Li]

danielf: A good entrepreneur can produce value for society without donating their gains. That said, any entrepreneur who makes gains is mostly likely producing value for society (unless through deceit or luck) anyway, and any extra you donate to society, on top of your efforts already, is completely optional.

[werdna]

Sorry to bring this topic back up... but what happened in the end?

Interesting read....