How long does it take to learn fluent Japanese?

[Furbob]

speaking of learning Kanji, I really dont like my Japanese teacher's approach when it comes to me writing non-prescribed VCE kanji and sometimes having a small stroke or wrong radical, she tells me to just stick to "the VCE kanji so you don't penalize yourself for this"

But it's true XD

That's why VCE Jap sucks =[

(who the hell came up with the idea that 200 Kanji is useful?)

200?!?

Is that all you learn?!??

WTFFFFFF

to noob-it-down even more, it's 150 for writing and 50 for recognition XD

[IntoTheNewWorld]

speaking of learning Kanji, I really dont like my Japanese teacher's approach when it comes to me writing non-prescribed VCE kanji and sometimes having a small stroke or wrong radical, she tells me to just stick to "the VCE kanji so you don't penalize yourself for this"

But it's true XD

That's why VCE Jap sucks =[

(who the hell came up with the idea that 200 Kanji is useful?)

200?!?

Is that all you learn?!??

WTFFFFFF

to noob-it-down even more, it's 150 for writing and 50 for recognition XD

Hence why VCE Japanese is soooooooooooooooooooo shit.

VCAA: "Oh, Kanji is too hard for students. We'll just make them learn the most basic ones like 父 and 母, that's all they'll need" It's pretty easy to see why Australia is a monolingual nation, the curriculum is dumbed down to the max, and year 11/12 LOTE is a waste of time. The most linear and formulaic piece of shit /rant.

@Fyrefly, when you do 5/6 you can laugh at all the VCE non-Chinese kids who can't read Kanji XD

random sidenote: JLPT registration cut offs are coming up realllll soon.

[Fyrefly]

speaking of learning Kanji, I really dont like my Japanese teacher's approach when it comes to me writing non-prescribed VCE kanji and sometimes having a small stroke or wrong radical, she tells me to just stick to "the VCE kanji so you don't penalize yourself for this"

But it's true XD

That's why VCE Jap sucks =[

(who the hell came up with the idea that 200 Kanji is useful?)

200?!?

Is that all you learn?!??

WTFFFFFF

to noob-it-down even more, it's 150 for writing and 50 for recognition XD

Hence why VCE Japanese is soooooooooooooooooooo shit.

VCAA: "Oh, Kanji is too hard for students. We'll just make them learn the most basic ones like 父 and 母, that's all they'll need" It's pretty easy to see why Australia is a monolingual nation, the curriculum is dumbed down to the max, and year 11/12 LOTE is a waste of time. The most linear and formulaic piece of shit /rant.

@Fyrefly, when you do 5/6 you can laugh at all the VCE non-Chinese kids who can't read Kanji XD

random sidenote: JLPT registration cut offs are coming up realllll soon.

OH!!!
WHEN, WHEN???

I want to try do it before I go over to Japan, then try and do it again when I come back.
Link??

And I won't be doing Jap 5/6... well... I will... but I'll be doing it in Japan.

We learn about 20 kanji a week...

[IntoTheNewWorld]

OH!!!
WHEN, WHEN???

I want to try do it before I go over to Japan, then try and do it again when I come back.
Link??

And I won't be doing Jap 5/6... well... I will... but I'll be doing it in Japan.

We learn about 20 kanji a week...

http://www.jpf.org.au/jlpt/apply.html
http://www.jsh.org.au/index.php?q=jlpt

"Applications must be accepted by JSH as of Friday the 27th of August although applications are encouraged to be submitted prior to this date, especially to allow time for incorrectly filled out applications to be returned and re-submitted."

I keep procrastinating filling in the sign up forms ><

btw if you haven't heard, the levels have changed this year. There's now 5 levels, from N1 to N5, N3 being the new level which sits between the old level 2 and 3. I'm going for N2 because I study harder when the chance of failing is epic.

[Fyrefly]

OH!!!
WHEN, WHEN???

I want to try do it before I go over to Japan, then try and do it again when I come back.
Link??

And I won't be doing Jap 5/6... well... I will... but I'll be doing it in Japan.

We learn about 20 kanji a week...

http://www.jpf.org.au/jlpt/apply.html
http://www.jsh.org.au/index.php?q=jlpt

"Applications must be accepted by JSH as of Friday the 27th of August although applications are encouraged to be submitted prior to this date, especially to allow time for incorrectly filled out applications to be returned and re-submitted."

I keep procrastinating filling in the sign up forms ><

btw if you haven't heard, the levels have changed this year. There's now 5 levels, from N1 to N5, N3 being the new level which sits between the old level 2 and 3. I'm going for N2 because I study harder when the chance of failing is epic.

Yeah, I've known about the changes for a while... I think it's better... I don't know whether I should go for N4 or N3 though... I think I could pass N4 quite easily but N3 could still be a little bit out of reach... hmm...

[IntoTheNewWorld]

Yeah, I've known about the changes for a while... I think it's better... I don't know whether I should go for N4 or N3 though... I think I could pass N4 quite easily but N3 could still be a little bit out of reach... hmm...

Go N3~

AREN'T EPIC CHALLENGES SO MUCH MORE FUN?

*fails N2 and wastes 80 bucks*

[Furbob]

^yeah, even his avatar is saying "just show up!" ....(sort of)

anyway AHH next Sunday is the High School Senior division at the 41st Japanese Language Speech Contest
@ Melb Uni ,which I just noticed is on Father's Day :S

I think im going to poop myself out of sheer nervousness

[IntoTheNewWorld]

^yeah, even his avatar is saying "just show up!" ....(sort of)

anyway AHH next Sunday is the High School Senior division at the 41st Japanese Language Speech Contest
@ Melb Uni ,which I just noticed is on Father's Day :S

I think im going to poop myself out of sheer nervousness

頑張れ！

random sidenote: DID YOU KNOW THAT THE KANJI FOR CONCAVE IS 凹面, AND THE KANJI FOR CONVEX IS 凸面

*mind explodes*

I wish all Kanji were this logical.

[Fyrefly]

Yeah, I've known about the changes for a while... I think it's better... I don't know whether I should go for N4 or N3 though... I think I could pass N4 quite easily but N3 could still be a little bit out of reach... hmm...

Go N3~

AREN'T EPIC CHALLENGES SO MUCH MORE FUN?

*fails N2 and wastes 80 bucks*

Lol... I think I'll do N4

[Furbob]

woaaaah *has officially learnt 凹 and 凸* speaking of which, I haven't used the words "convex/concave" since yr 10 science when we were talkin' about eyebawlz

anyway, I actually decided to make fun of my own nervousness for the topic of my speech which is Japanese Onomatopoeia and Phenomines　
(擬音語と擬態語） by giving an example of the definition

"たとえば、私は今このスピーチを話している時にきんちょういるので、私の足がガクガクして、体がフラフラして います。"

The funny thing is, that's probably what will be happening as im saying that lolol

lulz for slight off-topic-ness

[sonnypls]

woaaaah *has officially learnt 凹 and 凸* speaking of which, I haven't used the words "convex/concave" since yr 10 science when we were talkin' about eyebawlz

anyway, I actually decided to make fun of my own nervousness for the topic of my speech which is Japanese Onomatopoeia and Phenomines　
(擬音語と擬態語） by giving an example of the definition

"たとえば、私は今このスピーチを話している時にきんちょういるので、私の足がガクガクして、体がフラフラして います。"

The funny thing is, that's probably what will be happening as im saying that lolol

lulz for slight off-topic-ness

I would say このスピーチをしながら、きんちょうしているので、rararara.
Saying 'when' is way too trans-literal, whereas 'while' sounds a lot better don't you agree?

[Furbob]

Thanks for the correction :O

[Chavi]

I've been told that learning languages is a great way to prevent Alzheimer's disease when you get older. It makes you seem more of an attractive person and increases your job prospects and ability to make friends. And, after watching some anime and other weird stuff on youtube, I've gotten this urge to learn Japanese all of the sudden and just be immersed with its culture. I don't think I'll do it for VCE, I'm a bit late for that but maybe some time in the future, just for fun. So, here's my question, how long does it take to learn fluent Japanese for an adult?

What about other languages? Is the amount of time taken roughly the same?

As someone trying to become fluent in Hebrew through VCE, and raised in a monolingual house, I can tell you that the degree to which you master a second language is entirely dependent on two things:

1) the amount of work that you put in. If you're willing to write 3-5 essays a week, rewrite essay (really important for developing proper grammar and syntax), read articles online, listen to music in that language, and find people to converse with (in my case, random Israeli backpackers on Carlisle), then your language skills should improve in due course.

2) the teacher you have. Don't underestimate this point. A passionate teacher can really instill a love for the language, the culture and your extended topic. A teacher that you dislike, or doesn't teach well can be a major turn off (true for any subject).

Ultimately, VCE success in LOTE is a mixture of many variables. Of course, if your passionate about mastering your said language, then you'll become fluent eventually, whether during, or after VCE.