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attorney general/governor in council
« on: March 11, 2010, 09:05:01 pm »
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Can someone please explain the difference or if they are actually the same thing. Thanks.
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Re: attorney general/governor in council
« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2010, 04:26:53 pm »
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-attorney general is the principal legal officer of the Crown
-executive council also known as the govenor-general-in-council at federal level or governor-in-council at a state level. At a federal level it is made up of the governor-general and relevant ministers. At the state level it is made up of the governor and its relevant ministers. It task is to pass delegated legislation in areas where an enabling act has given power to the Executive Council to make regulations.
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Re: attorney general/governor in council
« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2010, 04:35:11 pm »
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-attorney general is the principal legal officer of the Crown
-executive council also known as the govenor-general-in-council at federal level or governor-in-council at a state level. At a federal level it is made up of the governor-GENERAL and relevant ministers. At the state level it is made up of the governor and its relevant ministers. It task is to pass delegated legislation in areas where an enabling act has given power to the Executive Council to make regulations.

I presume.. I havent learned it yet.

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Re: attorney general/governor in council
« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2010, 04:38:00 pm »
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fixed my mistake, thanks visionz!
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Re: attorney general/governor in council
« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2010, 12:15:34 am »
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Ok. I came across these terms whilst studying for my sac, the part on law reform commissions and was a bit confused.
Also, finding it very difficult to memorise the process of a law reform commission (Vic law reform commission) and also the process of a bill through parliament.
Anyone got any tips?
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Re: attorney general/governor in council
« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2010, 12:23:26 am »
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Ok. I came across these terms whilst studying for my sac, the part on law reform commissions and was a bit confused.
Also, finding it very difficult to memorise the process of a law reform commission (Vic law reform commission) and also the process of a bill through parliament.
Anyone got any tips?
TIA
yea with legislative process i just remembered it via wrote learning,
read through the steps like 50 time on the bus.
but with law reform my sac is on tueday and i know what they do an example but we weren't taught the process,

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Re: attorney general/governor in council
« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2010, 09:01:45 am »
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legislative process is easy think 1 2 3 its abc come with me
how does that work

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Re: attorney general/governor in council
« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2010, 12:28:14 pm »
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Process of a bill through parliament, and the VLRC... they're quite formulaic answers so once you've learned how it works, you can literally just spit out the answer at whenever you need to. Usually in the exam the VLRC is a pretty small mark question, though, so if you don't know it too well, I wouldn't worry too much. What I found worked for me was to write it out as a flow chart with diagrams and arros going everywhere. Or failing that, write it out in point form. Legal is basically just rote learning.

Anyways, the process of a bill through Parliament (you may want to double check in your book or with your teacher):

Someone comes up with the idea, and it goes to the MP. The bill is drafted, and if it's for the State Parliament, it goes through certification to check that it matches with the Charter of Human Rights.

Then it'll go to the first reading, where they announce the bill and read out the short title... copies of the bill get distributed to each MP so they can go read it and they come back in a few days to do

The second reading. This is where they read out the long title and the purpose and so on and they may have a preliminary debate/discussion/vote on the bill. If they like the bill the way it is they can go straight to the third reading, and if not, they'll go to

committee of the whole. this is optional. during this, the speaker leaves the house and a chairperson is elected. parliament is no longer in session, it is in committee, and during this they discuss and debate the bill clause by clause til they come up with a solution which they all vote on. then they call the speaker back in and have

the third reading. it's more of a mere formality, where they formally record the vote.

then, wash rinse and repeat through the other house, usually the upper house, and then if it goes through that it'll go off to the Queen's Rep to sign. Then there's proclamation... which is where they announce the existance of the bill, which is now a law/act of parliament.


Victorian Law Reform Commision:
-independant but government funded organisation
-connected to the government through the attourney general
-the AG/general public, etc will tell the VLRC to go research something that needs changing (if not through the AG originally, the VLRC must seek permission before going ahead to research)
-uses members of the community in forums and also calls in experts for their opinions on said topic, then writes a report to give to the AG and makes report available to the general public.
-make mention of roughly how long reports take to write (quite a while!)
-give a recent example of one of their projects
-IMPORTANT: the VLRC CANNOT change the law, it only makes recommendations
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Re: attorney general/governor in council
« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2010, 12:43:51 pm »
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Thanks. That helps alot.

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Re: attorney general/governor in council
« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2010, 01:12:23 pm »
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process of a bill.

there will never be a question on a sac or exam asking you to explain ALL the steps. 100% of all sacs/exams will be asked to describe the second reading stage because that's the hardest step to remember and it will most likely ask you to compare it to another stage (e.g consideration in detail/commitee stage because thats the 2nd most hardest/longest stage to rememeber)
make sure when you explain the second reading stage you make references to the 'second reading speech' AND the 'second reading debate'. and in consideration in detail/committee stage you have referenced that 'amendments' are made and bill is examined 'clause-by-clause'. those are the key words that will give you a mark. so many people in my class got zero because they didn't use those key terms.

vlrc.
question will most likely ask you what is a law reform?
so start by explaining what a law reform body is (and how it assists parliament in changing laws)
explain how vlrc is a example (write full name dont just use the acrynoym!!!)
explain its aim - to make recommenddations to gov.gen (important!! remember to reference governor general!) to assist parliament in changing law
explain a current issue - our teacher focues on surveillance on public areas
explain what it aims to achieve with this issue - elaborate on how they want more public cameras .etc
explain its role - e.g town hall meetings, invite public submissions, consult with expert bodies
explain what will happen if they dont achieve it and why - e.g invade privacy
explain what will happen if they achieve the change - more safety, more cctv's .etc
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Re: attorney general/governor in council
« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2010, 01:19:56 pm »
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So is this ok, or is it too much?
1. Reference received from AG
2. Research and consultations with experts
3.Discussion paper is releasesd for consultation and comment
4. Invites and considers submissions from the public, legal bodies and other interested groups
5. Consultations are undertaken with members of community and experts.
6. Final report is published with recommendations given to the AG
7.AG tables report in Vic parliament
8. Government decides whether to incorporate all, some or none of the recommendations when drafting legislation.

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Re: attorney general/governor in council
« Reply #11 on: March 14, 2010, 01:29:00 pm »
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perfect :D only thing don't forget to explain a current issue VLRC is currently investigating or have previously investigated already..
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Re: attorney general/governor in council
« Reply #12 on: March 14, 2010, 01:33:48 pm »
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Cool. Thanks guys, have been very helpful :)

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Re: attorney general/governor in council
« Reply #13 on: March 14, 2010, 01:53:14 pm »
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what i find realy strange we learning bout Constitution already test on changing law an dcommisions on tueday,
and i havent been tought bout vic law reform.

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Re: attorney general/governor in council
« Reply #14 on: March 14, 2010, 01:58:29 pm »
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did you learn about ALRC then? because you either learn about ALRC or VLRC.. it all depends on which law reform body your teacher chooses.
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