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Re: Lachymm's Methods questions and answer thread
« Reply #45 on: March 24, 2010, 10:16:34 pm »
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Therefore

Give that a whirl hey
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« Reply #46 on: March 25, 2010, 07:20:47 am »
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Thank you gerry sly this question has been bugging me for some time...
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« Reply #47 on: March 25, 2010, 07:22:58 pm »
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Umm, i still dont fully understand how you get that derivitive, i realize now its not the product rule as it is a function inside a function so it must be the chain rule?

Can you run me through what you did?
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« Reply #48 on: March 25, 2010, 07:38:15 pm »
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Umm, i still dont fully understand how you get that derivitive, i realize now its not the product rule as it is a function inside a function so it must be the chain rule?

Can you run me through what you did?


Yes, it is an application of the chain rule

Let

So

Is that what you needed? :)
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« Reply #49 on: March 25, 2010, 07:48:00 pm »
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I still dont really understand how the chain rule applies as it does not have "to the power" like this function

Is the "" the power in this case, sorry my teacher tried to explain this but cant do it himself :S
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« Reply #50 on: March 25, 2010, 08:41:27 pm »
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I still dont really understand how the chain rule applies as it does not have "to the power" like this function

Is the "" the power in this case, sorry my teacher tried to explain this but cant do it himself :S

Chain rule does not only apply to power functions, it's used for anything with another function inside

Eg.





In this case f(x) is the 'outside' function and g(x) is the 'inside' function
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« Reply #51 on: March 25, 2010, 08:46:52 pm »
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I still dont really understand how the chain rule applies as it does not have "to the power" like this function

Is the "" the power in this case, sorry my teacher tried to explain this but cant do it himself :S
You have two functions here, x+3 and x^3
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« Reply #52 on: March 26, 2010, 07:01:44 am »
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I still dont really understand how the chain rule applies as it does not have "to the power" like this function

Is the "" the power in this case, sorry my teacher tried to explain this but cant do it himself :S
You have two functions here, x+3 and x^3

SO what you would usually do lachymm, is let u=x+3

Then

For the composite function case, you have what I've written a couple of posts back
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« Reply #53 on: March 26, 2010, 09:27:11 am »
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Umm, i still dont fully understand how you get that derivitive, i realize now its not the product rule as it is a function inside a function so it must be the chain rule?

Can you run me through what you did?

That is the chain rule. Think about what you are doing with the chain rule though, to differentiate , you are essentially doing this . Notice the "chain" of finding the derivative of the outside function, then the inside function, works the same with 3 functions inside eachother

e.g. , same principle applies, take the derivative of the outside function, then the next function, then the next

Now using that with the question. is a function with a function, so we need to differentiate like we did before, in order of nested functions. , which turns out to be

Not sure how that helped, just run through more of those nested derivatives (functions in functions in functions etc.) and you'll see what I mean. Also think about it in terms of Leibniz notation (I seem to understand the chain rule better with his notation) and now let's assume it was with the function before (the 3 functions within eachother) it becomes where and
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« Reply #54 on: March 26, 2010, 01:48:00 pm »
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Thanks for your help fellas, gerrysly that last explanation really made it click with me. Cheers man
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« Reply #55 on: March 27, 2010, 02:42:03 pm »
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Ok i am doing a practice test and dont have my cas on me and am having a mental blank.

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I have gotten

How do i simplify, i feel it is so simple but i just dont see it.
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« Reply #57 on: March 27, 2010, 03:01:43 pm »
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also, how do i find the inverse of

I have gotten upto <======= by changing x and y around but again i cant simplify :(
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« Reply #58 on: March 27, 2010, 03:03:24 pm »
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long divide.
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« Reply #59 on: March 27, 2010, 03:04:06 pm »
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also, how do i find the inverse of

I have gotten upto <======= by changing x and y around but again i cant simplify :(

Long divide, or synthetic divide and then swap x and y
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