MMI Info [Monash 2011]

[stonecold]

vexx will know

[slothpomba]

I've heard of people with enters as low of 88 getting in but they were ERC

i was under the impression that even ERC you cannot be lower than 90, it's what they told me... ?

I know someone actually *in* medicine so... yeah


But yeah... you generally dont want to do ERC unless you are actually rural.. and dont have some weird speciality. Because you have to do your training out there... so if you want to be a pediatric-optho-oncologist or something, you're out of luck. I'm sure they have at least general practice and surgery covered though.

Read here http://www.med.monash.edu.au/medical/central/entry-schemes.html

[fady_22]

extended rural cohort.  basically means you've got to work out in the sticks for x amount of years...

That's bonded. My understanding of ERC is that in your clinical years (3,4 and 5), you have to do your placement in rural. I might be wrong though, or there might be more to it.

I think its for rural students mostly.
From http://www.med.monash.edu.au/medical/northernvic/docs/northernvic-faqs-2008.pdf :
"Preference will be given to students from northern Victoria, as well as others eligible to be considered via the Dean’s Rural List."
AND: "They will then spend five of their six clinical semesters in rural clinical placements".

[slothpomba]

Yeah, even if you could, i cant see why if you are from the city you would possibly want to do ERC.

[vexx]

Yeah, even if you could, i cant see why if you are from the city you would possibly want to do ERC.

some could have an interest in being rural?

but yeah ha i don't knw much about ERC as i haven't an interest. soz stonecold:(

[slothpomba]

I guess but i dont really think that would happen that often and you wont get as many specialities, so even if you do want to go rural its better to go normal way, get the specialty you want then just work in a rural area.

Or then again if you want to go rural and they have your specialty, i guess, yeah ERC maybe..

Working in the country aint my cup of tea though

(anyway not really interested in a debate on this and wasnt really the point i was trying to make..)

[shinny]

extended rural cohort.  basically means you've got to work out in the sticks for x amount of years...

That's bonded. My understanding of ERC is that in your clinical years (3,4 and 5), you have to do your placement in rural. I might be wrong though, or there might be more to it.

I think its for rural students mostly.
From http://www.med.monash.edu.au/medical/northernvic/docs/northernvic-faqs-2008.pdf :
"Preference will be given to students from northern Victoria, as well as others eligible to be considered via the Dean’s Rural List."
AND: "They will then spend five of their six clinical semesters in rural clinical placements".

I know people in it who aren't from rural though, so it's possible to get in even if you aren't.

Yeah, even if you could, i cant see why if you are from the city you would possibly want to do ERC.

Because you weren't able to get into mainstream CSP unbonded? Obviously in ideal cases, you would choose to do this. However, bonded and ERC are really just back up plans for those who are that willing to do Medicine, so just chuck them as 2nd and 3rd on your preference list. And really, you should be this willing, otherwise you'll be likely to never have the persistence to go through with it all.

On another note, really, rural isn't THAT bad. I had quite a different opinion of them before I actually went there on placement, but some of the places are actually quite nice and even developed. I mean if you go down to Bendigo, it's apparently just like inner Melbourne anyway. Best part is that you actually learn the most from rural because of the shortage of people there, so you get much more hands-on experience. Not saying that I prefer rural, but it's just not as bad as you might imagine.

[vexx]

extended rural cohort.  basically means you've got to work out in the sticks for x amount of years...

That's bonded. My understanding of ERC is that in your clinical years (3,4 and 5), you have to do your placement in rural. I might be wrong though, or there might be more to it.

I think its for rural students mostly.
From http://www.med.monash.edu.au/medical/northernvic/docs/northernvic-faqs-2008.pdf :
"Preference will be given to students from northern Victoria, as well as others eligible to be considered via the Dean’s Rural List."
AND: "They will then spend five of their six clinical semesters in rural clinical placements".

I know people in it who aren't from rural though, so it's possible to get in even if you aren't.

Yeah, even if you could, i cant see why if you are from the city you would possibly want to do ERC.

Because you weren't able to get into mainstream CSP unbonded? Obviously in ideal cases, you would choose to do this. However, bonded and ERC are really just back up plans for those who are that willing to do Medicine, so just chuck them as 2nd and 3rd on your preference list. And really, you should be this willing, otherwise you'll be likely to never have the persistence to go through with it all.

On another note, really, rural isn't THAT bad. I had quite a different opinion of them before I actually went there on placement, but some of the places are actually quite nice and even developed. I mean if you go down to Bendigo, it's apparently just like inner Melbourne anyway. Best part is that you actually learn the most from rural because of the shortage of people there, so you get much more hands-on experience. Not saying that I prefer rural, but it's just not as bad as you might imagine.

yeah i've heard that last bit too- getting to do procedures and such that you would never even be thinking about being able to in the urban hospital.

[Red_x_Lily]

I know someone actually *in* medicine so... yeah

But yeah... you generally dont want to do ERC unless you are actually rural.. and dont have some weird speciality. Because you have to do your training out there... so if you want to be a pediatric-optho-oncologist or something, you're out of luck. I'm sure they have at least general practice and surgery covered though.

Read here http://www.med.monash.edu.au/medical/central/entry-schemes.html

Studying on an ERC place has no impact on your training after med school, unless it is a bonded ERC place (in which case it'd work the same way as a normal bonded place except you'd have spent most of your clinical years in rural areas). Also, you will have 1 semester in a metropolitan hospital. After you graduate, you could work in a metropolitan hospital if you wanted to.

I know some people in my year who are on ERC places, and they're from both rural and city areas. It can have perks; when it comes to rural placements (for eg: in first year you go somewhere rural for 1 week, and you have to number your choices and pretty much hope for the best) ERC kids get higher preference for their choices.

[Greggler]

as far as i know, if you apply for ERC you only have to work off the 5 years or whatever in the area of need within 18 years of graduating or something like that. thats what my careers advisor told me :\

[shinny]

as far as i know, if you apply for ERC you only have to work off the 5 years or whatever in the area of need within 18 years of graduating or something like that. thats what my careers advisor told me :\

That's bonded. ERC is where you go to rural (currently Bendigo or Mildura) for your clinical years (3rd, 4th and 5th) instead of staying in Melbourne. However, it's no different from the normal course after that.

[MBBS]

yeah, high enter is certainly desirable, unless you want to be given an ERC place.  According to the MedEntry guy, the median enter for mbbs was 98.

Monash median enter last year was 99.5, that being said, enter is given the least weighting in the secret monash entry formula.

That's not true. The median was 98.55. I emailed the faculty and asked.

[Caspar]

I think ERC would be great, as it'd let me escape my parents for a few months each year during clinical years, letting me build up at least some of the independence that I'll lose out on by not moving interstate if I get offered a place at monash.

Median is 99.3, check their website.

[MBBS]

Link? I find that hard to believe. I was told 98.55. Either of those numbers suggest that ATAR is a huge factor in the selection process.

[Caspar]

http://www.med.monash.edu.au/medical/central/mmi_information_session_27_05_2010.m4v

1:1:1 Umat atar interview.

Anecdotally, UWS, which doesn't look at atar after it passes the 95.4 hurdle still has a median in the 99s.

edit: LOL you're quoting me with a different number than I have now.. Well this time at least I have some proof .