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Re: What if....
« Reply #15 on: June 21, 2010, 10:32:27 pm »
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Well I know SAC marks definitely matter. The common presumption that SACs 'don't matter' is foolish. I know this from my own results.

For example, my Unit 3 SAC score for English was pretty low. I'm talking about 60% or 65%. My Unit 4 SAC mark was around 91%. I ended up with 43. Another girl who had the same exam mark as me (51/60) but a higher SAC ranking ended up with 45. So you can do well on the exam but have a lower SAC ranking, it will tend to affect you overall.

Conversely, I had 100% on SACs for Further, with a loss of 3 marks on exam 2 and none on exam 1. I got 49, and was surprised at this because I thought a loss of 3 marks would cost you a lot more than 1 study score point. I think this is where your SACs come into play.

Methods - SACs were 97, exams - a loss of 2.5 marks overall to get 49. I know another person to lose 5 marks overall on exams to get 48 with 100% on SACs.

So yes I think SACs can affect your score. I understand where you're coming from; one of my teachers hated me too, really thought it might affect my score but thankfully that teacher didn't mess up my SAC result...
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Re: What if....
« Reply #16 on: June 21, 2010, 10:33:16 pm »
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If your school doesn't cross mark what can be done about it?  I know my English teacher doesn't do it.  God I hate her.

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I don't think much, if anything, can be done about it. Last year all of our 100+ SACs were first looked over by our teachers, then graded by an external marker, but obviously not every school is going to go to that extent to ensure fairness.

Yeah that's true. I don't think a lot of schools do that...
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Re: What if....
« Reply #17 on: June 21, 2010, 10:37:30 pm »
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Is it still possible to do well in a subject, say, methods, with low-ish SAC scores? And how low exactly can your SACs go for you to still be in the running for a high score?

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Re: What if....
« Reply #18 on: June 21, 2010, 10:42:17 pm »
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What do you mean by low - that can be quite subjective lol, I'd come out of SACs saying I failed but not really meaning that I got below 50% haha.

I think you can do quite well with reasonable SAC scores. I knew one girl who had an overall SAC mark of 90 at the end of the year (calculated by taking all of the SACs and doing the weighting, e.g. 9/10 for first SAC etc) so overall she lost 10 SAC marks. She however got 46 at the end of the year, which shows that she aced the exams. However another girl had 96 SAC marks but didn't finish the second exam/made mistakes and lost a fair few marks to get 42. So I think that doing well in everything is important, but don't feel too badly if you've lost a few marks in SACs, ace the exams and see what happens. How are your SAC results for Methods?
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Re: What if....
« Reply #19 on: June 21, 2010, 10:43:59 pm »
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If your school doesn't cross mark what can be done about it?  I know my English teacher doesn't do it.  God I hate her.

Can they get in shit from VCAA?
I don't think much, if anything, can be done about it. Last year all of our 100+ SACs were first looked over by our teachers, then graded by an external marker, but obviously not every school is going to go to that extent to ensure fairness.

Yeah that's true. I don't think a lot of schools do that...

My school is so fkd.  They cross mark the Methods SAC's, which really don't need to be cross marked, but the English SAC's aren't....go figure.  Where is the logic/fairness.
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Re: What if....
« Reply #20 on: June 21, 2010, 10:46:25 pm »
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My school has only one class for English(8 people lol) and the teacher pretty much hates me. I think he's going to screw everything up. I'm ranked 5th =| Where is the fairness!
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Re: What if....
« Reply #21 on: June 21, 2010, 10:51:01 pm »
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I agree that's pretty unfar for both of you. But if you're good at the subject anyway and absolutely ace the exams, the effect of biased marking might not be too great.

I also don't see the logic of cross marking Methods SACs and not English. That's not very helpful to students...
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Re: What if....
« Reply #22 on: June 26, 2010, 02:07:23 am »
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Suck up to the max..
Why would your teacher hate you anyway xD.?

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Re: What if....
« Reply #23 on: June 26, 2010, 07:13:56 am »
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English, like what most people said, is very subjective in terms of grading, and the fact that there's no distinct mark allocations means it becomes even more subjective when teachers rank students, despiting the fact that a large number of students may share similar writing standards. Your exams will be marked subjectively too, think about it, some examiners prefer certain colored pens to another, some examiners hate small handwriting and some hates double spacing, subjectivity is just like... the nature of this subject and due to the importance of English, I guess we just need to live with it.

From what I recall, SACs take up about 50% of your English SS. Although your cohort performance in the Exam can dominate whether your SAC component be scaled up or down, your ranks are still set. So, for English, SACs are indeed quite important comparing to other subjects' SACs, especially if you come from a weak cohort.

IMO, teachers can dislike certain students but when they allow this emotion to affect their markings too much and even attempt to hurt the students' self-esteem, he/she is simply unsuited to the job. For example, my ESL teacher ( A roughly 38 yr old boyfriendless fat women who said she hates everybody called James) would say "I can't stand Beijing Opera, its just the wieredest thing ever." in front of the whole class which included 10 Chinese students. How could somebody just discriminate another country's precious culture like that? I think she hated everybody in the class but sometimes she acts differently. One day she would ask me to go to the front to demonstrate an enthusiastic handshake with her to the class ( yeh.. a handshake -_- ) another day she would tell a girl to get a pass from the coordinator because of the extra shirt she wore underneath her uniform when the poor girl asked her to turn off the heater which was right infront of her. Once she even said she hates ambitious people who always try to go ahead of others, forgetting bout how she commented b4 on herself of being not ambitious enough at uni which caused her to teach now. And another teaher at our year level revealed to me that I got three 79s for my SACs, before that I was pissed till death because of the constant B+'s i was getting- we were only allowed to know our grades.. hmm so basically your teacher can do whatever she wants with your ranking/marks.

Guys, my one piece of advice being: Never ever argue with your teacher and you are free to bitch about him/her once year 12 finishes. =]
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well the limit can turn into a threshold..