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Re: Chloroalkane -----> alkanamine
« Reply #15 on: June 08, 2010, 05:46:44 pm »
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it is right

other info: alumina catalyst and 400 degrees are needed

I thought that was for "Alkanol + NH3 --> H2O + Amine"

And that "Haloalkane + NH3 --> HX + Amine" needs no catalyst
I think I read somewhere that the haloalkane is warmed with ethanol at 100 degrees.

But you are right about the alkanol to amine.
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Re: Chloroalkane -----> alkanamine
« Reply #16 on: June 08, 2010, 05:48:45 pm »
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when naming molecules, hydoxyl takes precedence over amine yeah?
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Re: Chloroalkane -----> alkanamine
« Reply #17 on: June 08, 2010, 06:24:38 pm »
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yeah i think the only reactions involving NH3/production of an amine dont even involve catalysts?

for NH3 and an alkanol you must have alumina
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Re: Chloroalkane -----> alkanamine
« Reply #18 on: June 08, 2010, 06:26:39 pm »
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^yeah, you're right.

what about direct addition of ammonia to an alkene.  any catalyst needed?
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Re: Chloroalkane -----> alkanamine
« Reply #19 on: June 08, 2010, 06:27:52 pm »
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I think precedence of functional groups doesn't really matter at VCE I think all you need to know is functional groups>double tripple>alkyl

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Re: Chloroalkane -----> alkanamine
« Reply #20 on: June 08, 2010, 06:33:22 pm »
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^yeah, you're right.

what about direct addition of ammonia to an alkene.  any catalyst needed?

don't ask me, I have no idea whether that is even possible. personally I would go the long route (turn it into an alkanol)

oh and I believe amine ranks higher than hydroxyl but lower than carboxylic acids.

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Re: Chloroalkane -----> alkanamine
« Reply #21 on: June 08, 2010, 06:35:18 pm »
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nahh dude, hydoxyl has precedence.

check this out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1-Amino-2-propanol
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Re: Chloroalkane -----> alkanamine
« Reply #22 on: June 08, 2010, 06:48:54 pm »
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thanks for reminding me to put acidified environment for water + alkene = alkanol :)

It applies for permanganate/dichromate as well.  you just need to write /H+

im going through past exams, and for water and alkene it's "heated with steam and a catalyst at 300°C" to form the alcohol.
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Re: Chloroalkane -----> alkanamine
« Reply #23 on: June 08, 2010, 06:54:53 pm »
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nahh dude, hydoxyl has precedence.

I concede

WRT the steam that is the reaction with H2O at 300 deg (where water is steam) with H3PO4, and a catalyst

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Re: Chloroalkane -----> alkanamine
« Reply #24 on: June 08, 2010, 06:56:24 pm »
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Huh, I was certain it is concentrated phosphoric acid that is catalyst for that reaction. :(
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Re: Chloroalkane -----> alkanamine
« Reply #25 on: June 08, 2010, 06:58:17 pm »
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Huh, I was certain it is concentrated phosphoric acid that is catalyst for that reaction. :(
H3PO4 is phosphoric acid (unless you were replying to vexx)

also I don't think it needs to be concentrated, the only concentrated one is H2SO4 for esterification

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Re: Chloroalkane -----> alkanamine
« Reply #26 on: June 08, 2010, 07:10:33 pm »
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^ what i said above was taken directly from vcaa just so you know it's the most accurate.
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Re: Chloroalkane -----> alkanamine
« Reply #27 on: June 08, 2010, 07:13:50 pm »
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I know that H3PO4 is phosphoric acid lol.  Maybe in the highly unlikely event that it comes up in the exam, I just say catalyst e.g. H3PO4 haha
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Re: Chloroalkane -----> alkanamine
« Reply #28 on: June 08, 2010, 07:22:48 pm »
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Ni catalyst for hydrogenation
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Re: Chloroalkane -----> alkanamine
« Reply #29 on: June 08, 2010, 07:54:32 pm »
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Ni catalyst for hydrogenation

ion or molecule?