Login

Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.

September 23, 2025, 05:17:17 am

Author Topic: Use of Linear approximation..  (Read 2068 times)  Share 

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

kenhung123

  • Victorian
  • ATAR Notes Legend
  • *******
  • Posts: 3373
  • Respect: +7
Use of Linear approximation..
« on: June 15, 2010, 07:55:17 pm »
0
I'm not sure if I am even clear about the idea of it.
Is it used to predict the y value as x changes provided we know the derivative?

I am not sure what's the point of linear approx? Essentials seem to have some emphasis on it in particular the applications of diff exponentials and circular functions.

the.watchman

  • Victorian
  • ATAR Notes Superstar
  • ******
  • Posts: 2526
  • Respect: +10
Re: Use of Linear approximation..
« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2010, 08:07:51 pm »
0
Ok, let's say you wake up from a dream thinking that: I must find :P

Obviously, you can't get an exact value for this, but using the linear approx. formula, you can get an approx. value for it

So let

Then you can use the formula to find :)
Remember, remember the 5th of November

2010 - MM CAS (47) - Cisco 1+2 (pass :P)
2011 - Eng - Phys - Chem - Spesh - Latin - UMAT
ATAR - 99.00+ plz... :)

Feel free to PM me for anything :D

kenhung123

  • Victorian
  • ATAR Notes Legend
  • *******
  • Posts: 3373
  • Respect: +7
Re: Use of Linear approximation..
« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2010, 08:23:36 pm »
0
Hmm, I'm not really sure what you mean you can't find exact value for that?

the.watchman

  • Victorian
  • ATAR Notes Superstar
  • ******
  • Posts: 2526
  • Respect: +10
Re: Use of Linear approximation..
« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2010, 08:28:31 pm »
0
Hmm, I'm not really sure what you mean you can't find exact value for that?

I mean you can't come up with an accurate answer to five or six decimal places of that in your head (unless you are a super genius)
So a (quick) linear approximation can find an approximation for these sorts of expressions :)
Remember, remember the 5th of November

2010 - MM CAS (47) - Cisco 1+2 (pass :P)
2011 - Eng - Phys - Chem - Spesh - Latin - UMAT
ATAR - 99.00+ plz... :)

Feel free to PM me for anything :D

kenhung123

  • Victorian
  • ATAR Notes Legend
  • *******
  • Posts: 3373
  • Respect: +7
Re: Use of Linear approximation..
« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2010, 08:34:39 pm »
0
Oh ok (unless your name is watchman more like it :P)
Anyway, would it work also if I split it up into f(7.9+0.05)=0.05*f'(x)+f(7.9)?

the.watchman

  • Victorian
  • ATAR Notes Superstar
  • ******
  • Posts: 2526
  • Respect: +10
Re: Use of Linear approximation..
« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2010, 08:40:08 pm »
0
It would, but finding also requires super genius abilities
Therefore, using is much easier :)
Remember, remember the 5th of November

2010 - MM CAS (47) - Cisco 1+2 (pass :P)
2011 - Eng - Phys - Chem - Spesh - Latin - UMAT
ATAR - 99.00+ plz... :)

Feel free to PM me for anything :D

kenhung123

  • Victorian
  • ATAR Notes Legend
  • *******
  • Posts: 3373
  • Respect: +7
Re: Use of Linear approximation..
« Reply #6 on: June 15, 2010, 08:52:06 pm »
0
Hold on, does linear approximation just mean you kind of round a value (+h which is small rounding) in order to get a simple whole number answer (in this case a perfect cube root)?

the.watchman

  • Victorian
  • ATAR Notes Superstar
  • ******
  • Posts: 2526
  • Respect: +10
Re: Use of Linear approximation..
« Reply #7 on: June 15, 2010, 08:54:55 pm »
0
Hold on, does linear approximation just mean you kind of round a value (+h which is small rounding) in order to get a simple whole number answer (in this case a perfect cube root)?

Sort of, but it's more than just rounding
The error is approximated by the term in the formula which, if you draw a diagram, makes sense :)
Remember, remember the 5th of November

2010 - MM CAS (47) - Cisco 1+2 (pass :P)
2011 - Eng - Phys - Chem - Spesh - Latin - UMAT
ATAR - 99.00+ plz... :)

Feel free to PM me for anything :D

kenhung123

  • Victorian
  • ATAR Notes Legend
  • *******
  • Posts: 3373
  • Respect: +7
Re: Use of Linear approximation..
« Reply #8 on: June 15, 2010, 09:38:39 pm »
0
Oh lol I actually get it now
The formula is basically y=mx+c really..
where h=x f'(x)=m and f(x)=c
Basically, you need to use a close and easy point (like perfect cube root) and find the gradient at that point and its y value
To predict the y value of a point very close to that 'easy' point, you multiply the small change in x by the gradient + y value at the 'easy' point

m@tty

  • Victorian
  • ATAR Notes Legend
  • *******
  • Posts: 4324
  • Respect: +33
  • School: Heatherton Christian College
  • School Grad Year: 2010
Re: Use of Linear approximation..
« Reply #9 on: June 15, 2010, 09:45:28 pm »
0
Yes, it is putting a tangent from a known point and finding the coordinate at some other point. Hence it approximates. You needed to understand this for exam 1 last year.
2009/2010: Mathematical Methods(non-CAS) ; Business Management | English ; Literature - Physics ; Chemistry - Specialist Mathematics ; MUEP Maths

96.85

2011-2015: Bachelor of Aerospace Engineering and Bachelor of Science, Monash University

2015-____: To infinity and beyond.

kenhung123

  • Victorian
  • ATAR Notes Legend
  • *******
  • Posts: 3373
  • Respect: +7
Re: Use of Linear approximation..
« Reply #10 on: July 14, 2010, 09:20:50 pm »
0
Hey is 'h' always a positive number or it can be negative also?

tcg93

  • Victorian
  • Forum Obsessive
  • ***
  • Posts: 234
  • Respect: +2
Re: Use of Linear approximation..
« Reply #11 on: July 14, 2010, 09:24:29 pm »
0
Hey is 'h' always a positive number or it can be negative also?

Can be negative too
Methods | Specialist | Chemistry | English | UMEP Maths | Cisco | IT Applications

Martoman

  • Victorian
  • Part of the furniture
  • *****
  • Posts: 1476
  • Respect: +11
Re: Use of Linear approximation..
« Reply #12 on: July 14, 2010, 10:20:15 pm »
0
I had a similar problem last year. Understand what you are doing graphically. At any give point on a curve you draw in a tangent line. Notice how close to the point of contact how the tangent line and he curve are very similar? This gives you the intuition of why small h values lead to higher accuracy of estimation. ALL linear approximation is doing is saying create a tangent line on a point that is easy. This tangent line is of the form y = mx+c. Then you are simply finding the y value of this tangent line, provided x is a small variation from your *easy* spot of contact.  :smitten: Doing this give you a good *approximation* to the actual y value of the curve as the tangent line and curve are similar for small h (i feel like im repeating myself a tad)  ::)
2009: Math methods: 50, Psychology: 44
2010: chem 47, further 48, Spesh 49 fml seriously and other yr 11 subs.
2011: Holidaying, screw school.
No. Not azn.
___________________________________
Swedish meal time all the time

tram

  • Victorian
  • Part of the furniture
  • *****
  • Posts: 1341
  • Respect: +22
Re: Use of Linear approximation..
« Reply #13 on: July 14, 2010, 10:36:57 pm »
0
lol, thinking of the last question of EXAM 1 are we matoman?

but yea....i hate linear approximation, waste of time

TrueTears

  • TT
  • Honorary Moderator
  • Great Wonder of ATAR Notes
  • *******
  • Posts: 16363
  • Respect: +667
Re: Use of Linear approximation..
« Reply #14 on: July 14, 2010, 10:39:27 pm »
0
try "3D" linear approximation, aka planar approximation with partial derivatives pretty sik stuff
PhD @ MIT (Economics).

Interested in asset pricing, econometrics, and social choice theory.