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[Russ]

Ahh ok, what if you have completed an undergraduate law degree (LLB) and want to do further study of law then? Is there like a masters degree or something?

I know nothing about the specifics, but yes you can do graduate level study of law (masters/doctorate)

And yeah, 75% is easier to achieve in some courses than others but it's not "easy" in any of them.

[tram]

Yes masters of law, but that's different from JD - that's like any other masters degree, you do it through research or coursework in a specific area of law.

excuse my ignorance, but i'm pretty postive that a JD is a master of laws.....

[ninwa]

Nope. JD = juris doctor. It is a general law degree, exactly the same as the LLB, but for those who already have a previous degree, whereas LLB is for the newbies who have never been to uni before.

A master of laws is different. It is like any other masters degree. You undertake either research or coursework in a specific area of law. You need either a JD or a LLB to do a masters in law.

You'd hope I know what I'm talking about, considering I'm doing law and considering a masters degree later on...

[ninwa]

In fact, here:

Compulsory and quasi-compulsory subjects for JD and LLB:

Monash JD LAW7212 - Australian legal system LAW7079 - Legal research and problem solving LAW7264 - Principles of criminal law and procedure LAW7428 - Contract A LAW7429 - Contract B LAW7267 - Principles of property law LAW7270 - Advanced property law LAW7269 - Principles of equity LAW7271 - Principles of trusts LAW7266 - Principles of torts LAW7273 - Principles of evidence LAW7275 - Principles of corporations law LAW7277 - Advanced corporations law LAW7268 - Principles of constitutional law LAW7274 - Principles of administrative law LAW7331 - Lawyers' responsibilities LAW7272 - Principles of civil procedure

Monash LLB LAW1101 Introduction to legal reasoning LAW1104 Research and writing LAW3301 Criminal law and procedure A LAW3302 Criminal law B LAW2101 Contract A LAW2102 Contract B LAW3401 Property A LAW3402 Property B LAW4169 Equity LAW4170 Trusts LAW2201 Torts A LAW2202 Torts B LAW5159 Evidence LAW4171 Corporations law LAW3201 Constitutional law LAW3101 Administrative law LAW5125 Lawyers, ethics and society LAW5104 Civil procedure

The Melbourne JD will be pretty much the same, except it seems they like to call some subjects different names for some reaspn. All JDs are pretty much the same though. Just as all LLBs are pretty much the same. (Obviously excluding the different electives different people will choose to take.)

The only difference will be in the fact that the JD is more accelerated, and so a couple of subjects which might take 2 semesters in the LLB will be covered in one in the JD (haha suckers).

The electives offered might also vary slightly (there are too many different ones, I can't be bothered matching them up).

[tram]

Nope. JD = juris doctor. It is a general law degree, exactly the same as the LLB, but for those who already have a previous degree, whereas LLB is for the newbies who have never been to uni before.

A master of laws is different. It is like any other masters degree. You undertake either research or coursework in a specific area of law. You need either a JD or a LLB to do a masters in law.

You'd hope I know what I'm talking about, considering I'm doing law and considering a masters degree later on...

no, i'm sorry but i'm sure i'm right, i'm holding the borchure i got on Thursday from a monash representative and quoting from the brochure

The monash JD is a master of laws(Juris doctor)

I'm not sure about the melbourne JD tho....

[ninwa]

Yes, it's a postgraduate degree, but it's not a masters in laws. You would not be able to say that you have a masters in laws, because what you essentially have is a beginning law degree.

[tram]

http://www.monash.edu.au/study/coursefinder/course/3387/

[ninwa]

Actually I see why they're calling it a masters degree, it's because it's postgraduate. You would not be recognised as if you had done an actual masters in laws though.

[IntoTheNewWorld]

http://www.monash.edu.au/study/coursefinder/course/3387/

...

http://www.monash.edu.au/study/coursefinder/course/0068/ (REAL Master of Laws, requiring LLB for entry)
http://www.law.monash.edu.au/law-grad.html

(I blame the Melbourne Model for all this confusion)

[tram]

ok, now i'm really confused........is the monash JD a master of laws or not?

I've just checked and melbourne's JD is not....

[ninwa]

ok, now i'm really confused........is the monash JD a master of laws or not?

It's just a NAME which Monash gives it to make it sound more prestigious. The REAL masters degree in law is the one SmRandmAzn has linked above. You need to already have a law degree, and choose an area to specialise in. Graduates in JD will have JD after their name, and will be treated by law firms on a similar level to LLB graduates. A masters in law graduate will have an LLM after their name. They are the academics and the slightly crazy people who for some reason like law.

Have a look above at http://vcenotes.com/forum/index.php/topic,27049.msg278253.html#msg278253 and tell me, what on earth qualifies the JD to be classified as a "masters degree" when the bachelors in law is exactly the same? A masters in something usually implies a deeper level of knowledge/understanding in a specific area. The JD is a generalist degree. It covers everything. Like the LLB does.

It's a bit like me deciding to do a med degree after I graduate and wanting to be recognised as a "Masters in Medicine" student. I'd be laughed out of the building.

[tram]

Ah i see the difference now,

If you graduate with the actual master of laws, you can put LLM after your name, but if you only have done the JD you have to put LLM(Juris Doctor) to make the distinction clear.

soz be to all noob on you law pros >.< i was just going off the leaflet i got

[ninwa]

Pretty sure it's just JD. LLM(JD) is rather misleading...

See here:
The Master of Laws is an advanced academic degree,(as opposed to a professional degree in law, such as the Juris Doctor)

[Noblesse]

(I blame the Melbourne Model for all this confusion)

HEY! HOW DARE YOU!

*sorry for off topic post*

[tram]

Pretty sure it's just JD. LLM(JD) is rather misleading...

See here:
The Master of Laws is an advanced academic degree,(as opposed to a professional degree in law, such as the Juris Doctor)

no, again going off the oh so trusty brochure

The appropiate designation is 'Jane Smith, LLM (Juris Doctor)'

out of intrest niwa, seeing as you are one out of "academics and the slightly crazy people who for some reason like law." what area of law are you concidering to do your (real ) masters in?