Ideas on how to get members more involved

[Fyrefly]

I dont get how "hero memebers" (or whatever their current rank is) are intimidating.

we're just a bunch of people with strong opinions. surely people would realise that if you get in an argument with ANYONE, it'll be intimidating.
it just happens that these "hero members" here are generally well informed, and logic conscious: an "in my opinion" doesn't work here, logical fallacies gets treated even worse.

we dont dismiss issues because we assign things we dont like the title "doesnt make sense". if you make a claim without evidence, or present it in such a way that we dont understand it, or base it on "just because it is" (or other forms of circular definition, which are totally absurd), it makes it impossible for admins and mods to look into the matter

please, we want people involved, take this thread for example http://vcenotes.com/forum/index.php/topic,2619.0.html
if you have any questions, we're happy to answer them where we can.
if you want to have a discussion, we're happy to participate where appropriate
but you cannot possibly assume that there are no harsh rebuttals.

a respected place in this community is like anywhere else, you cannot assume it, it has to be earned. coming in criticising is not the way to go.

I think the problem is... not everyone wants to argue. There are some topics that just seem to grow unnecessarily heated and, sometimes, adversarial. I avoid the 'politics' threads almost completely, and I even avoid threads made by particular people (I know I'm not the only person who does this). The thing is, I know to avoid them. New members trying to get their post count up don't. It can be very difficult to find your 'niche' in an online community if someone comes along to bite your head off.

It's not anyone's fault; the simple fact stands that in an environment with so many educated, driven and opinionated individuals, one can be intimidated.

Mao, let me just say: you don't scare me

[Fyrefly]

Sidenote: Someone's gotta change the clock on this thing...

[enwiabe]

I dont get how "hero memebers" (or whatever their current rank is) are intimidating.

we're just a bunch of people with strong opinions. surely people would realise that if you get in an argument with ANYONE, it'll be intimidating.
it just happens that these "hero members" here are generally well informed, and logic conscious: an "in my opinion" doesn't work here, logical fallacies gets treated even worse.

we dont dismiss issues because we assign things we dont like the title "doesnt make sense". if you make a claim without evidence, or present it in such a way that we dont understand it, or base it on "just because it is" (or other forms of circular definition, which are totally absurd), it makes it impossible for admins and mods to look into the matter

please, we want people involved, take this thread for example http://vcenotes.com/forum/index.php/topic,2619.0.html
if you have any questions, we're happy to answer them where we can.
if you want to have a discussion, we're happy to participate where appropriate
but you cannot possibly assume that there are no harsh rebuttals.

a respected place in this community is like anywhere else, you cannot assume it, it has to be earned. coming in criticising is not the way to go.

I think the problem is... not everyone wants to argue. There are some topics that just seem to grow unnecessarily heated and, sometimes, adversarial. I avoid the 'politics' threads almost completely, and I even avoid threads made by particular people (I know I'm not the only person who does this). The thing is, I know to avoid them. New members trying to get their post count up don't. It can be very difficult to find your 'niche' in an online community if someone comes along to bite your head off.

It's not anyone's fault; the simple fact stands that in an environment with so many educated, driven and opinionated individuals, one can be intimidated.

Mao, let me just say: you don't scare me

Well put! I'm inclined to agree with that statement. I'll go fix the clock now as well, thanks for the tip

[Collin Li]

There is nothing wrong with being argumentative or serious about an issue. There is, however, something wrong with being judgemental, convicting on it, and making personal attacks (perhaps based on it).

[costargh]

http://vcenotes.com/forum/index.php?action=mlist;sort=registered;start=0;desc

GOLLY GOSH! CHECK THE POSTS COUNT

[Mao]

costa, relax.
there are always those accounts regardless of which forum you are on.
just gotta accept that there will always be people who won't embrace the community like us.

its much like enforcing absolutely everyone to have an opinion on global politics, unrealistic goal.


if newer users feels like they want to post/contribute, there is nothing stopping them, and we've seen quite a few of these recently. =)

[costargh]

Yeh I hope. I just want this place to be big =( ...to fit with my big minded mentality =(

[Mao]

Yeh I hope. I just want this place to be big =( ...to fit with my big minded mentality =(

give it time

a couple months ago we didnt even have enough for a march of the 300...

when viki comes online the growth should increase quite a bit
lets not get too ahead of ourselves and stick with realistic stuff =)

[costargh]

I'm idealistic for the better or the worse =)
But true. This site has come far.

[clinton_09]

out of interest how long has this site existed for?

[AppleThief]

out of interest how long has this site existed for?

I think it's been less than a year. I first heard of it towards the end of last year, if I remember correctly. But if it's only been around since then, it's had quick growth...

[clinton_09]

out of interest how long has this site existed for?

I think it's been less than a year. I first heard of it towards the end of last year, if I remember correctly. But if it's only been around since then, it's had quick growth...

absolutley, very quick growth, things can only get bigger

[Rietie]

I think it started around November 2007.

[cara.mel]

out of interest how long has this site existed for?

Since October 19/20 (think 20th), 2007.
Enwiabe was planning to start it over the summer, but got fed up at BoS's slowness (sometimes >1 min page loads) and general bleh ness (think he got banned not very fairly for a bit) and started up the forum.
It changed into VCE notes a few months ago


costa: There are heaps of accounts with no posts due to the silly rule you have to register to view the forum, to be honest that would discourage me from coming here but it's not my site so

[AppleXY]

Yeah, you're right mel, the 19th. I remember dan showing me his vision of fsn and yeah I was one of the first peoples to join. Personally, I knew it would flourish and become a fantastic site. Toast to Dan!

"Date Registered:     October 19, 2007, xx:xx:x PM" [go to my profile if you want to know when I exactly signed up, lazy bastard lol]