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[matt123]

ok buddy
ill be honest with you here.

spending 300 bucks on supplements is honestly not going to do anything at your age.
your body does not get even CLOSE to burning off all the extra fat and sugar that is in those shakes.
trust me . ive used them before.... all thats gonna happen . is you will become more heavy .. and less toned. but larger arms.

also
the reason we do squats and leg press etc , .. is simply because football has become a very aneorobic sport ( running very heavily for short periods of time without alot of oxygen).
we need strong legs in-order to keep that speed up.

also
the main thing you have to understand.
getting "tank" is not as easy as .. lifting weights , protein shake . rest. and repeat.
that MIGHT make your arms larger in volume. .. but it will not increase power/endurance/strength and prevent injury.
its all about cardio buddy.
the more cardio you do .. the better your body can supply blood the muscles.


also . the more cardio you do .. the lower your skin fold fat becomes .. and the muscles will look "toned"

its very imporant to do running/swimming or cycling whilst weight training . or honestly .. your not going to get far at your age.

Firstly I have lost a lot of hope knowing that you got a 44 in PE.


Its protein powder. You need protein to help grow and if you cant get enough through food, or you need faster absorbing protein because you want to make the most of the immediate post-workout period, then you should supplement it.
You need it regardless of age to build muscle.
The idea is not to burn the protein off (you should know that you rarely utilise protein for energy for movement) it is to metabolise it and use it to repair/grow.
It wont be stored as fat unless there is an excessive amount of it. Half the time an excess amount would be shat out anyway. During recovery though, protein has a very useful purpose (to repair) so the body if you supplement right then its most certainly not surplus to requirements.


Youve missed my point on the squats. You guys squat light. I squat heavy. You guys have chicken legs. I have bulging tear drops (VMO).


Getting tank is not easy. It takes time. Lifting weights + proper diet/nutrition + rest/recovery = growth. Supplementation may give a little boost to all of those elements.


Honestly how can you get a 44 in PE and then come here and say "that MIGHT make your arms larger in volume. .. but it will not increase power/endurance/strength and prevent injury". You have to lift heavier weights to keep seeing benefits - to KEEP YOUR ARMS GROWING. Progressive overload?? Your arms dont just grow by going through the motions with any old weight. You need to make linear progress with weights being lifted to make linear, upwards progress with your measurements! Also how the f*** can lifting weights not cause increases in power, LME and STRENGTH?? Hahahaha. Serious question.. are you f***ing retarded?


Sure cardio can help but have you ever seen a jacked marathon runner? You cant be a cardio-bunny and be big. The more cardio you do the higher your blood volume, the higher your LIP, etc. and yes they are all beneficial for lifting. But working your ANAEROBIC systems will help with anaerobic components such as muscular hypertrophy, strength, power, LME*, etc. so much more.


"the muscles cant do anything if there is poor blood flow"- again, 44 in PE and youre still not aware that theres an ANAEROBIC system? And just because people dont do continuous cardio doesnt mean they have a resting heart rate of 85 and cant get 5 on the beep test. My resting heart rate is something like 55 and I do very little sub-maximal exercise.


Looking 'toned' ie. having a lower bodyfat% is more the result of dieting than cardio. Cardio burns a lot of calories so can be useful for losing fat but you dont HAVE to do cardio to stay lean or lose fat. If youre not eating enough to maintain your weight then you cant put on fat. At the same time you can do 2 hours of cardio a day, but if you take in more cals than youre using then youve got just as much chance of putting on fat as the next guy.




 

 

LOL dude
you are right in some aspects
however.
you said
 " the idea is not to burn the protein off (you should know that you rarely utilise protein for energy for movement) "

NONONONONONONONONONONON NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

u dont use protien unless carbohydrate stores are very low
and let me tell you .. unless your working out for 4 hours straight .. your not going to get that low .

yes you are right . protien is used for repairing the torn muslces.
howeverr ... YOU GET ENOUGH IN YOUR BLOODY FOOD THAT YOU EAT .
lol
its not necessary to take protein supplements unless your literally an african child in 3rd world country deficient in protein.
and no . u dont just crap it all out .. alot of the supplements you consume actualy get stuck within the body and we dont have the appropiate enzymes to break down some aspects in that powder ( cellulose etc etc etc ).

also
you said . how the F can lifting weights not increase LME , STRENGTH.
it does .. but the point im trying to make is ... if you have low cardio vascular system .. and cannot support enough oxygen to the muscles .. then its worth crap all buddy ...

you said . how do i not know about anaerobic system?
if you are anywhat of a hard trainer .. you know .. you will do many reps and many sets.
after a period of time .. ( 47 seconds) the aneoribic system isnt predominant and actualy the aerobic system becomes the higher energy supplier. .... you need cardio to increase the blood flow , OR ELSE you will bloody fatigue fast after you hit 47 seconds.

ALSO DONT FORGET .. WHEN YOU ARE WORKING ANEORIBICLY , YOU ARE ALSO WORKING AEROBICLY , OR ELSE YOU WOULD BE DEAD ...... hence .. your body ALWAYS need oxygen... its just . how much . at specific times.

now also , if you increase your cardio vascular system and AEROBIC SYSTEM .. you increase the period of time needed for recovery/rest. hence in the end of the day .. you can work aneoribcly for longer before you go home from the gym.

CARDIO  + diet like i said before
is what is needed to become toned. as lower fat skinfold.

you will see . every single body builder that has ever got anywhere , have ALL been through hard cardio workouts , diets , and programs to increase blood flow and ventricle size ( so that they can get rid of by-products such as lactic acid faster , and hence work anaerobically for longer)

dont come here telling crap about getting 44 in pe.
i know alot more than you think .. your just a kid trying to get big .. i play falcons and have lessons and therapy on fitness etc etc as a part of the clubs program.

dont be arrogant
and actually listen k?

[Visionz]

LOL I said you dont use protein for energy unless youre deprived of fats and carbs. Im not saying you supplement protein for energy. If youre using protein for energy youre in a catabolic state when to gain muscle you need to be in an anabolic state.

Not everyone gets enough protein to GROW and REPAIR from foods alone. You need more protein if you lift than you do if youre a sedentary individual or if you take part in most team sports. Its the nature of bodybuilding. Sure you can grow without supps but you if you supplement right you can grow faster.

I acknowledged that the aerobic system and thus cardio exercise has a role to play in best anaerobic performance. But you will make the necessary adaptations from lifting. Look in your PE book, pretty sure they call it the SAID principle. You will make the necessary adaptations by doing the activity that youre working on. Ie. while you lift you are working out the elements needed to be able to do the same activity at a higher level - lift more weight.

And yes cardio leading to increased aerobic adaptations will help you recover between sets.

My issue with cardio though is you dont NEED it to make progress. To make best progress you should do some. To make best progress you should not do too much - as much as footy players for instance. You want to cardio train for the adaptations but you dont want to burn the energy that could be used to build muscle. This is what youre talking about for bodybuilders.
It is also not 100% vital for losing fat. You can do that through proper nutrition.


Haha im the arrogant one? I admit I can be a tosser but im not the one bragging about playing falcons like ive already been drafted. So what you play falcons anyway. I have friends and family who play for or have played for other TAC cup sides and I know a guy who plays/played for vic metro. I dont admire you, at the moment youre no-one.
FWIW Ive represented Victoria myself before in another sport but I chose to stick to lifting because its more enjoyable.

Post up your stats and measurements so I can laugh at them.

[98.40_for_sure]

Whats your max bench, deadlift and squat?

[matt123]

LOL I said you dont use protein for energy unless youre deprived of fats and carbs. Im not saying you supplement protein for energy. If youre using protein for energy youre in a catabolic state when to gain muscle you need to be in an anabolic state.

Not everyone gets enough protein to GROW and REPAIR from foods alone. You need more protein if you lift than you do if youre a sedentary individual or if you take part in most team sports. Its the nature of bodybuilding. Sure you can grow without supps but you if you supplement right you can grow faster.

I acknowledged that the aerobic system and thus cardio exercise has a role to play in best anaerobic performance. But you will make the necessary adaptations from lifting. Look in your PE book, pretty sure they call it the SAID principle. You will make the necessary adaptations by doing the activity that youre working on. Ie. while you lift you are working out the elements needed to be able to do the same activity at a higher level - lift more weight.

And yes cardio leading to increased aerobic adaptations will help you recover between sets.

My issue with cardio though is you dont NEED it to make progress. To make best progress you should do some. To make best progress you should not do too much - as much as footy players for instance. You want to cardio train for the adaptations but you dont want to burn the energy that could be used to build muscle. This is what youre talking about for bodybuilders.
It is also not 100% vital for losing fat. You can do that through proper nutrition.


Haha im the arrogant one? I admit I can be a tosser but im not the one bragging about playing falcons like ive already been drafted. So what you play falcons anyway. I have friends and family who play for or have played for other TAC cup sides and I know a guy who plays/played for vic metro. I dont admire you, at the moment youre no-one.
FWIW Ive represented Victoria myself before in another sport but I chose to stick to lifting because its more enjoyable.

Post up your stats and measurements so I can laugh at them.

yeh there we go
i agree with alot of what you have said there.
although .. i see your point was .. its not 100% ESSESTIAL to do cardio
and my point was .. you need to do some inorder to keep training hard and recover faster.

i think the conclusion is.
you definitely need cardio , but you shouldn't waste it all your energy on it as you need some for body building in itself.
good?

p.s
im not bragging about playing falcons.. its not even that hard to get in ....
and i know personally , just like i said before . or maybe it was in the other thread.
" i doubt ill get into afl as there are so many good young players these days , i just wont have a chance , not fit enough , not strong enough" .

iff you like body building .. im not saying dont do it
all i was trying to convey was that
supplements isnt always needed .. and can actauly be a bad thing  if your not using it properly

[Visionz]

Bench - 95  
Dead - 165 (with straps)
Squat - 150 (parallel)
@ 5'11 80kgs.

Strong for only lifting a short time but still far off where I want to be.

[Visionz]

yeh there we go
i agree with alot of what you have said there.
although .. i see your point was .. its not 100% ESSESTIAL to do cardio
and my point was .. you need to do some inorder to keep training hard and recover faster.

i think the conclusion is.
you definitely need cardio , but you shouldn't waste it all your energy on it as you need some for body building in itself.
good?

p.s
im not bragging about playing falcons.. its not even that hard to get in ....
and i know personally , just like i said before . or maybe it was in the other thread.
" i doubt ill get into afl as there are so many good young players these days , i just wont have a chance , not fit enough , not strong enough" .

iff you like body building .. im not saying dont do it
all i was trying to convey was that
supplements isnt always needed .. and can actauly be a bad thing  if your not using it properly

fair enough. everyone has an opinion on training and theyre all very different.

[98.40_for_sure]

Pretty good for only a few months of lifting. You're lucky you've got quick gains...

It's so hard for an asian to get massive

[Visionz]

Pretty good for only a few months of lifting. You're lucky you've got quick gains...

It's so hard for an asian to get massive

Asians have small frames though so they dont have to be as big to look as big, if you know what I mean. What are you stats?

[98.40_for_sure]

A few months ago before i stopped for more study time:

Bench 85
Deadlift 145 (no straps)
Squat 95

5'3 70kg

At the moment i'm down to 60kg, don't wanna eat a lot without training to make good use of it lol

[Visionz]

5'3 :O 60-70kgs is about right for that height. Strong bench for size aswell. Ive got long monkey arms so my bench kinda sucks. needs moar squat.

I wonder what Matts stats are.
I guess: Bench 75, squat - 70, deadlift - doesnt deadlift, beep test - 15
 

[matt123]

5'3 :O 60-70kgs is about right for that height. Strong bench for size aswell. Ive got long monkey arms so my bench kinda sucks. needs moar squat.

I wonder what Matts stats are.
I guess: Bench 75, squat - 70, deadlift - doesnt deadlift, beep test - 15
 

yo visionz .. nice stats btw ..

personally i dont bench .. i get lots of back problems when i do.
usually get the same problems with deadlift.

however ..
before my study got really intense ..i would train frequently

all my weight training is low weight , low set , many reps.
e.g
dips , 25kg added , 20 reps , 3 sets.
curls - 10kg , 30 reps per arm , faster speed , 5 sets.

i only weight train 2 , maybe 3 times a week
other than that
its study + cardio + diet.
swimming 4 days a week , running 4 days per week , cycling .. maybe 2-3 times.

as im trying to get into the national ath team.
im doing 3 days of sprint training.

[98.40_for_sure]

Lol yeah i'm frickin short as i got hella short arms and short legs.

I've been training for 3 years though, so that's pretty shite gains.

After the last end of year exam... goal: balls to the wall

Probably should have not stopped training, and just managed time better to squeeze it in there. Good for stress and anger relief (particularly after f'ing up a sac)

[Visionz]

I wish I started 3 years ago! I would be benching like 140.
I'd turn into a wreck if I didnt have that outlet. I get all edgy when I have 3-4 days off.
Its only a couple of hours 3-4-5 times a week. Make time for it.

I hate cardio. Its so monotonous. Its alright if its a game, tennis, bball, soccer, footy, even sprints/interval or whatever but straight running, swimming or cycling makes me want to kill myself.

[98.40_for_sure]

Something to do with the immune system, that when you stop for a week or two, you get sick? It happens to me everytime i take a few weeks off. I tried to go for a run once every few days to replace training but it was just so time consuming and boring. Not to mention it's freezing at this time of year.

Also im sleep deprived now so i always feel lethargic, probably why i don't have any motivation to train, and even if i was to, i'd feel weak and not be able to go all out.

[Visionz]

Probs a build up of adrenaline.