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Ranking
« on: April 12, 2008, 04:31:30 pm »
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Hey guys
Ive heard that "ranking" is involved in detremining your ENTER score, yet im confused what they are actually ranking.

Are they ranking your ENTER score across the whole state, with students who are doing year 12, or do you get "ranked" in SACS amongst classmates?


Sorry im really confused about how it all works!
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Re: Ranking
« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2008, 04:50:51 pm »
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SACs, exams, study score and ENTER are all ranked:

you SACs are ranked to give an overall ranking for the semester/year
your exam scores are then ranked in your cohort to given an exam ranking
then your SAC gets moderated with the ranking exam score: http://vcenotes.com/forum/index.php/topic,581.msg12582.html#msg12582

then the total gets ranked in the state, and according to normal distribution, you get a study score
the total of study score (after scaling) then gets ranked and give u an ENTER (of percentile)

so :P

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Re: Ranking
« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2008, 09:13:04 am »
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So is class ranking or school ranking in sacs important or not? I heard that if your ranked 6th in sacs and you get ranked number one in the exam, you get marked up and get the results of the person who was number one in sacs?
 
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Re: Ranking
« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2008, 09:54:17 am »
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Yes. For example, if you get the lowest sac mark in the whole school but you get top in the exam, you will still get your exam mark but your sac mark will take the mark of the lowest mark scored on the exam.
3 People get these results on the sac (3 people in class)
45%     75%     95%
rank 3   rank 2   rank 1
But get the following exam results
60%      55%    20%
rank 1   rank 2    rank 3
Then their sac marks get moderated:
45%--> 20%  rank 3 on the sac takes the rank 3 on the exam
75%-->55%   rank 2 on the sac takes the rank 2 on the exam
95%-->60%   rank 1 on the sac takes the rank 1 on the exam

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« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2008, 11:18:44 am »
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MY GOD that's confusing.
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« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2008, 12:15:20 pm »
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WTF THATS BS.

What if you get 100% in the exam, and you're ranked last (but you got 95% on sacs :P ), but this kid whose smart in sacs (100%) choked on the exam and scored 50%, does that mean you'll get 100% for exam and 50% for SACS?!?!?!?!

so instead of A+ A+ A+ you'll get D D A+ ?

WTFFFF thats screwed. that can't be right.
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« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2008, 12:18:19 pm »
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Yeh..no one said VCE was fair but only your sac mark will change in accordance with their exam mark. So your exam marks are yours.
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« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2008, 12:26:08 pm »
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I'm going to make a complaint after VCE, about VCE LOL. ;)

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« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2008, 12:28:48 pm »
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Quote from: AppleXY on April 13, 2008, 12:26:08 pm
I'm going to make a complaint after VCE, about VCE LOL.


Even if you complain, they won't have time to implement it this year.
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« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2008, 12:30:44 pm »
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That's why you need a really strong middle cohort and to rank really carefully.
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« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2008, 01:02:47 pm »
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lol...im not number one in sacs, but I want to get the highest exam mark..So if i get the highest exam mark, il get the top sac marks, if i do the best?

Im not far behind in sacs, prob about 5th out of 100 students..
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« Reply #11 on: April 13, 2008, 01:10:41 pm »
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Quote from: daniel99 on April 13, 2008, 01:02:47 pm
lol...im not number one in sacs, but I want to get the highest exam mark..So if i get the highest exam mark, il get the top sac marks, if i do the best?

Im not far behind in sacs, prob about 5th out of 100 students..
If you are still 5th at the end of the year, your sac mark will be moderated up or down to match the 5th highest exam mark in the exam. If you get the highest exam mark, the person ranked highest in the sacs will have their sac mark substituted with the highest exam mark, if that makes sense
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Re: Ranking
« Reply #12 on: April 13, 2008, 03:04:13 pm »
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Quote from: Rietie on April 13, 2008, 12:30:44 pm
That's why you need a really strong middle cohort and to rank really carefully.

Sorry, but whats a cohort? Ive never heard of that term :P

So. when you get ranked, its at your school and all the people who are doing that year 12 subject.

Lets just say in Legal, i get really high in my SACS, and ranked 1st oit of all of the people doing legals studies at my school, and i ace the exam, then what are the chances of me getting 50 SS?

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Re: Ranking
« Reply #13 on: April 13, 2008, 03:56:13 pm »
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Cohort - A year level, a group of some sort :)

In terms of VCE, a cohort usually refers to the whole group of year 12s in the state.
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« Reply #14 on: April 13, 2008, 05:10:20 pm »
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This thread is rife with misunderstandings of the statistical moderation process. You should probably read about it as explained by VCAA, as they might know what they're talking about. They even have pictures!

http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/exams/statisticalmoderation/statmod.html
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