Do I have a better chance of gaining a good ATAR enter at macrob?

[iNerd]

I didn't negative karma you because of your typing, i negatived karma'd you because you called him an idiot, you did it to me out of retribution.

Using standard english would make you more understood and lead more creedence to your argument which would of helped you, thats all i was getting at.

Anyway, yeah peace

geez massive misunderstanding. I already edited that post for uncalled-for language. Anyways peace.

[shinny]

Don't give her false hopes; oh I got an E in methods and it went up to an A....oh yh...but y? cuz u owned yur VCAA exam idiot.
SACS at MHS/Macrob count for less relative to other schools bcoz the cohort lifts yu' up as they smash the exams.
And yh trust me the competitive atmosphere will get 2u unless o' course yur a super uber nerd anyway

You're in year 10, what makes you think you know the VCE system better than him, let alone call him an idiot?

You are wrong, your own exam mark will not lift up your own sac mark with exception to VERY rare cases. It works on the principle that even if you get 0 marks on your sacs all year, if your whole class gets an A+ on their exam, then you will get A+ A+ A+ on your end of year VCE result. But if you are last in your cohort and you get an A+ on your exam, and the worst exam mark is a D+, you're stuck with that D+ for your SAC mark irregardless.

The competitive atmosphere doesn't "get to you" either, it's just a facade created  by students who try to be super competitive.

Let's just say you can afford to make a slip up, and it is easier to get a 36-42 SS than it is at most other schools, but you will still  have to work hard to get anything above that, just like anyone else would

so lyk i said...the cohort lifts yu' up and thus the SACS count for less relative to other schools where you have to maintain that rank 1 as you fear your cohort will bring you down as you illustrated with yur D+ example...yu wudn't wna b last in a shit school, yu wudn't wna b last anywher but being last in MacRob/MHS is better then anywhere else.

Yep, what taiga said is pretty much what happens. My friend lost 1 mark on the English exam - which is normally 50 material - but he was ranked near the bottom in internal SACs due to him not bothering to read the texts and the teacher hating him (which was justified really). In the end, he ended up getting Ds and Es for his actual SAC mark and got under 30 SS . This is quite an extreme case, but it shows the point that being in a selective school only provides a slight buffer such that if you fall a bit short on the exam, you'll probably get your marks back. It's quite unlikely to effectively boost your score above what it should have been. People only think this because they're surrounded by people smarter than them, so they think that their internal A getting scaled to an A+ was amazing. Well, you probably would've gotten that A+ internally at another school anyway. So yes, the cohort only really acts as a buffer for slight underperformance in the exam I guess.

What's important is the atmosphere and academic support you get instead. I was going to say facilities as well, but McRob fails in that regard (MHS on the other hand has great facilities). But yeh, people often get pressured at other schools to not study or even try at all in VCE whereas people are more understanding in MHS/McRob if you have to pass up on something in order to study. And as others have pointed out, being in a competitive environment makes you try harder. It feels almost as if people have been framing this as a negative thing but it's actually good. For the most part, I guess this competitive environment is more of an internal thing than external - that is, seeing everyone else working so hard and achieving such high scores makes you work harder yourself. This happened to me when I got a sudden 'oh shit' feeling after reading my friend's essays in year 12 and suddenly had a burst of motivation to start gunning English since I realised how far behind I was. It's not a competitive environment in the sense that everyone compares their marks to each other and then bags out those who scored lowly. People are generally very supportive there.

[yabbaboo]

Ooh, I see. Thankyou, shinny! (Though it's a bit strange to say that )

So, basically, you have to do well in SACs in order to get a good SS. Right?

That is quite a morale boost for me, lol! I take it that you used to go to selective school?

[vea]

Ooh, I see. Thankyou, shinny! (Though it's a bit strange to say that )

So, basically, you have to do well in SACs in order to get a good SS. Right?

That is quite a morale boost for me, lol! I take it that you used to go to selective school?

shinny graduated from MHS with 99.70 a few years back so yes he knows what he's saying.

Even though people normally don't study much for SACs, they are very important if you want to get study scores that are at the high end. I only realised this towards the end of my first 3/4 subject though...

[iNerd]

Ooh, I see. Thankyou, shinny! (Though it's a bit strange to say that )

So, basically, you have to do well in SACs in order to get a good SS. Right?

That is quite a morale boost for me, lol! I take it that you used to go to selective school?

In summary: doing well on SACs is a safeguard for yourself as you don't have to rely on your cohort smashing the exams to bring you up. However it is not detrimental to your SS if you don't ace your SACs at a select-entry school as the trend is that the cohort aces the exams and pulls the SAC marks up and as shinny explained, an A at MHS is worth an A+ at another school anyway; it's only fair

[shinny]

Ooh, I see. Thankyou, shinny! (Though it's a bit strange to say that )

So, basically, you have to do well in SACs in order to get a good SS. Right?

That is quite a morale boost for me, lol! I take it that you used to go to selective school?

Yeh I went to MHS as someone else said. And you'd have to ultimately do well in SACs I guess - whether this is a result of having a high ranking in a weak cohort or a mid-range ranking in a strong cohort doesn't really matter. However, obviously the latter is easier to do as there's a far greater buffer available both in terms of what SAC ranking you get, and what exam score you get. For example, if you went to a weaker school and somehow let your SAC score slip for some reason and ended up at 2nd place, but the person who is now 1st is actually quite a dud and you inherit their exam score as your SAC score, then your scaled SAC score is going to suffer. Similarly, if you're ranked first, but you stuff up the exam a little by accident, you've got no one to fall on because you're only going to inherit your own screwed up exam mark as your scaled SAC mark. It's kinda confusing, but read the many threads on how scaling actually works and you'll understand what I mean a bit better.

[Russ]

It's kinda confusing, but read the many threads on how scaling actually works and you'll understand what I mean a bit better.

Alternatively, don't put yourself through that and just get A+ for all your subjects

[shinny]

It's kinda confusing, but read the many threads on how scaling actually works and you'll understand what I mean a bit better.

Alternatively, don't put yourself through that and just get A+ for all your subjects

Exactly! That's what I've said many times but the people on VN insist on knowing how it all works I don't see how knowing changes the standard game plan of aceing everything you can. But in terms of deciding whether to go to McRob, you can just take my word for it that the scaling system means you get a slight benefit from going there due to its ability to act as a buffer. But yeh, I'd definitely say the other factors such as the environment I've mentioned previously are the main ones that contribute to their success. Well, apart from the fact that they're selective and already have some of the brightest in the state to begin with...

[letsride]

Don't give her false hopes; oh I got an E in methods and it went up to an A....oh yh...but y? cuz u owned yur VCAA exam idiot.
SACS at MHS/Macrob count for less relative to other schools bcoz the cohort lifts yu' up as they smash the exams.
And yh trust me the competitive atmosphere will get 2u unless o' course yur a super uber nerd anyway

You're in year 10, what makes you think you know the VCE system better than him, let alone call him an idiot?

You are wrong, your own exam mark will not lift up your own sac mark with exception to VERY rare cases. It works on the principle that even if you get 0 marks on your sacs all year, if your whole class gets an A+ on their exam, then you will get A+ A+ A+ on your end of year VCE result. But if you are last in your cohort and you get an A+ on your exam, and the worst exam mark is a D+, you're stuck with that D+ for your SAC mark irregardless.

The competitive atmosphere doesn't "get to you" either, it's just a facade created  by students who try to be super competitive.

Let's just say you can afford to make a slip up, and it is easier to get a 36-42 SS than it is at most other schools, but you will still  have to work hard to get anything above that, just like anyone else would

so lyk i said...the cohort lifts yu' up and thus the SACS count for less relative to other schools where you have to maintain that rank 1 as you fear your cohort will bring you down as you illustrated with yur D+ example...yu wudn't wna b last in a shit school, yu wudn't wna b last anywher but being last in MacRob/MHS is better then anywhere else.

Yep, what taiga said is pretty much what happens. My friend lost 1 mark on the English exam - which is normally 50 material - but he was ranked near the bottom in internal SACs due to him not bothering to read the texts and the teacher hating him (which was justified really). In the end, he ended up getting Ds and Es for his actual SAC mark and got under 30 SS . This is quite an extreme case, but it shows the point that being in a selective school only provides a slight buffer such that if you fall a bit short on the exam, you'll probably get your marks back. It's quite unlikely to effectively boost your score above what it should have been. People only think this because they're surrounded by people smarter than them, so they think that their internal A getting scaled to an A+ was amazing. Well, you probably would've gotten that A+ internally at another school anyway. So yes, the cohort only really acts as a buffer for slight underperformance in the exam I guess.

What's important is the atmosphere and academic support you get instead. I was going to say facilities as well, but McRob fails in that regard (MHS on the other hand has great facilities). But yeh, people often get pressured at other schools to not study or even try at all in VCE whereas people are more understanding in MHS/McRob if you have to pass up on something in order to study. And as others have pointed out, being in a competitive environment makes you try harder. It feels almost as if people have been framing this as a negative thing but it's actually good. For the most part, I guess this competitive environment is more of an internal thing than external - that is, seeing everyone else working so hard and achieving such high scores makes you work harder yourself. This happened to me when I got a sudden 'oh shit' feeling after reading my friend's essays in year 12 and suddenly had a burst of motivation to start gunning English since I realised how far behind I was. It's not a competitive environment in the sense that everyone compares their marks to each other and then bags out those who scored lowly. People are generally very supportive there.

i find it hard to believe your friend only lost 1 mark on the english exam and got under 30 SS due to poor sac marks. aren't sacs 34% for eng? (i do lit so i dunno). Honestly, there's no way only losing 1 mark on exams and averaging E-D on sacs would give you an SS of under 30.

[taiga]

English is 50% sacs

so if you get E E A+ you wouldnt be looking at too much above 30.

But I thought that sort of situation was where they actually assumed something went wrong and had a look at your other marks.

[shinny]

English is 50% sacs

so if you get E E A+ you wouldnt be looking at too much above 50.

But I thought that sort of situation was where they actually assumed something went wrong and had a look at your other marks.

Yeh, given that it's 50/50, that's how I saw it. And iunno, that's all I heard from my friend. Didn't ask him too much about it nor did I verify any of those marks =/

[letsride]

English is 50% sacs

so if you get E E A+ you wouldnt be looking at too much above 50.

But I thought that sort of situation was where they actually assumed something went wrong and had a look at your other marks.

Yeh, given that it's 50/50, that's how I saw it. And iunno, that's all I heard from my friend. Didn't ask him too much about it nor did I verify any of those marks =/

mm guessing he exaggerated a bit. E-D sacs's is still worth a bit and since its 50/50 and 50 SS worthy exam marks couldnt not go down less than 30, unless he averaged 0% on all his sacs and the lowest grade on the exam in his cohert was 0%, then hypothetically, yea. Albiet they'd look at his gat due to such a huge difference.

[the.watchman]

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=macrob

Someone pointed this out to me many moons ago...

[98.40_for_sure]

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=macrob

Someone pointed this out to me many moons ago...

Haha i also heard that: "if you can't get a girl, get a dog. if you can't get a dog, get a girl from macrob"

[the.watchman]

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=macrob

Someone pointed this out to me many moons ago...

Haha i also heard that: "if you can't get a girl, get a dog. if you can't get a dog, get a girl from macrob"

Too far, too far...