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DIFFICULT CHEM QUESTION??
« on: October 23, 2010, 12:16:18 pm »
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Q. Explain why Temperature is the ONLY factor which can influence/change the value of K.


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Re: DIFFICULT CHEM QUESTION??
« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2010, 12:23:16 pm »
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Where did you get this one?

I don't think it's in the course - Mao explains it somewhere but  it's pretty mathsy. I'll tryt to find the post

EDIT: There we go Try replicating that for two marks in the exam ;P
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Re: DIFFICULT CHEM QUESTION??
« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2010, 12:39:51 pm »
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Where did you get this one?

I don't think it's in the course - Mao explains it somewhere but  it's pretty mathsy. I'll tryt to find the post

EDIT: There we go Try replicating that for two marks in the exam ;P

Just thought of it.
i think the examiners this year will ask it.
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Re: DIFFICULT CHEM QUESTION??
« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2010, 01:17:57 pm »
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NO, you won't be asked why K only depends on temperature. That's a rather difficult kinetics question. Two things can happen:

1. They ask you that, which further proves the point that VCAA don't have scientists. The required answer would go something like 'changing anything else doesn't change K just because it doesn't'

2. They don't ask you that. Period.
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Re: DIFFICULT CHEM QUESTION??
« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2010, 01:21:01 pm »
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NO, you won't be asked why K only depends on temperature. That's a rather difficult kinetics question. Two things can happen:

1. They ask you that, which further proves the point that VCAA don't have scientists. The required answer would go something like 'changing anything else doesn't change K just because it doesn't'

2. They don't ask you that. Period.

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Re: DIFFICULT CHEM QUESTION??
« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2010, 01:22:06 pm »
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NO, you won't be asked why K only depends on temperature. That's a rather difficult kinetics question. Two things can happen:

1. They ask you that, which further proves the point that VCAA don't have scientists. The required answer would go something like 'changing anything else doesn't change K just because it doesn't'

2. They don't ask you that. Period.

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Re: DIFFICULT CHEM QUESTION??
« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2010, 01:33:50 pm »
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there is no K in temperature, hence the system tries to make a move so that there is a k in temperature, like temperakure
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Re: DIFFICULT CHEM QUESTION??
« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2010, 05:57:57 pm »
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Re: DIFFICULT CHEM QUESTION??
« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2010, 12:09:07 am »
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I didn't think it was too hard Mao at all, correct me if i'm wrong here but...

From memory its something like
 a ratio in terms of a ln

, T1 and K1 is a known K at a temp. T2 and K2 is unknown.

For exothermic reaction, delta H = -ve

Then notice that the main things of concern is



Then if T2 is bigger than T1 the ratio decreases, so we are going more to the left of a reaction.

Similar reasoning on an endothermic

delta H = +ve



Increase temp (ie bigger T2) increases ratio. Goes to the right.
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Re: DIFFICULT CHEM QUESTION??
« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2010, 12:23:04 am »
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It's not in the course.
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Re: DIFFICULT CHEM QUESTION??
« Reply #10 on: October 25, 2010, 08:11:26 am »
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there is no K in temperature, hence the system tries to make a move so that there is a k in temperature, like temperakure

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Re: DIFFICULT CHEM QUESTION??
« Reply #11 on: October 25, 2010, 10:57:13 am »
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I didn't think it was too hard Mao at all, correct me if i'm wrong here but...

From memory its something like
 a ratio in terms of a ln

, T1 and K1 is a known K at a temp. T2 and K2 is unknown.

For exothermic reaction, delta H = -ve

Then notice that the main things of concern is



Then if T2 is bigger than T1 the ratio decreases, so we are going more to the left of a reaction.

Similar reasoning on an endothermic

delta H = +ve



Increase temp (ie bigger T2) increases ratio. Goes to the right.

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Re: DIFFICULT CHEM QUESTION??
« Reply #12 on: October 25, 2010, 11:28:03 am »
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I didn't think it was too hard Mao at all, correct me if i'm wrong here but...

From memory its something like
 a ratio in terms of a ln

, T1 and K1 is a known K at a temp. T2 and K2 is unknown.

For exothermic reaction, delta H = -ve

Then notice that the main things of concern is



Then if T2 is bigger than T1 the ratio decreases, so we are going more to the left of a reaction.

Similar reasoning on an endothermic

delta H = +ve



Increase temp (ie bigger T2) increases ratio. Goes to the right.

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Re: DIFFICULT CHEM QUESTION??
« Reply #13 on: October 25, 2010, 12:18:29 pm »
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I didn't think it was too hard Mao at all, correct me if i'm wrong here but...

From memory its something like
 a ratio in terms of a ln

, T1 and K1 is a known K at a temp. T2 and K2 is unknown.

For exothermic reaction, delta H = -ve

Then notice that the main things of concern is



Then if T2 is bigger than T1 the ratio decreases, so we are going more to the left of a reaction.

Similar reasoning on an endothermic

delta H = +ve



Increase temp (ie bigger T2) increases ratio. Goes to the right.

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this is really annoying me. First the discussion about sequences and series and now this.
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Re: DIFFICULT CHEM QUESTION??
« Reply #14 on: October 25, 2010, 01:43:05 pm »
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Spot on, martoman. Though I'd be pedantic and say , it doesn't make much difference in the qualitative sense. You've done it again. =]

Now can everyone appreciate why I say 'VCAA won't ask for this EVER'? :P
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