My rage at TSSM 2008

[Spreadbury]

it appears to me they're not always involuntary. in TSSM 2008, question 28 of the multiple choice, the example given was clearly classical conditioning, but the response of the dog was not. is "running around in circles" an involuntary response?

http://vcenotes.com/forum/index.php/topic,30356.0.html 5th post down if you want to see the exam.

yet another question I find disagreeable:
Question 36. Behaviour which is learnt through operant conditioning is more likely to be
A. passive
B. active
C. invluntary
D. deliberate

I chose D, but the answer was B. I find this poor wording to say the least, as the association between a stimulus and response is an active association and the learner is active during conditioning, but to describe the behaviour elicited in operant conditioning, wouldn't most people describe it as deliberate?

this is close to becomming a rant. question 40:
Jack is quite short, however his favourite player is quite tall. This relates to which factor that might influence jack's learning?
A. attention
B. reproduction
C. motivation
D. retention

I chose A as if Jack was too short he may not perceive himself as being able to be like the player. but due to the vagueness of the question- for example, in some sports, being tall is no help, it's unreliable. perhaps reproduction may be a more sensible answer (that was the 'correct' answer) but still, height would not bar jack from imitating his favourite player unless it involved slam dunking a basketball

[masonnnn]

the first two i'd also agree are poor.
i'm almost going to give up on company exams for psych and just study my own stuff... there are so many frustrating questions etc on them.

though i'd say 40 is okay... reproduction usually has to do with a physical aspect and they pointed that out.

[Glockmeister]

36 is definitely not deliberate as the behaviour elicited is not neccesarily deliberate or consciously created behaviour. The best example I could give you is treatments for say autism or phobias which rely on behaviourism as its theoritical  basis.
You be foolhardy (and lacking consciousness) to describe the symptoms that the folks with phobias or autism exhibit as being done deliberately.

For 40, I think the entire height thing is a bit of a red herring. I doubt you'd get a trick question like that in the exam though.

[Spreadbury]

if the behaviour is neither conscious nor deliberate then it could hardly be described as 'active' could it?

also through my reading, the grivas textbook stated that phobias are classically conditioned, not operantly conditioned.

[akira88]

if the behaviour is neither conscious nor deliberate then it could hardly be described as 'active' could it?

also through my reading, the grivas textbook stated that phobias are classically conditioned, not operantly conditioned.

I agree with Spreadbury here.

[Bing 101]

I'd go with D for 36.

The nature of the response in Operant Conditioning is more likely to involve voluntary, DELIBERATE actions.

[studying_hard]

it appears to me they're not always involuntary. in TSSM 2008, question 28 of the multiple choice, the example given was clearly classical conditioning, but the response of the dog was not. is "running around in circles" an involuntary response?

http://vcenotes.com/forum/index.php/topic,30356.0.html 5th post down if you want to see the exam.

yet another question I find disagreeable:
Question 36. Behaviour which is learnt through operant conditioning is more likely to be
A. passive
B. active
C. invluntary
D. deliberate

I chose D, but the answer was B. I find this poor wording to say the least, as the association between a stimulus and response is an active association and the learner is active during conditioning, but to describe the behaviour elicited in operant conditioning, wouldn't most people describe it as deliberate?

this is close to becomming a rant. question 40:
Jack is quite short, however his favourite player is quite tall. This relates to which factor that might influence jack's learning?
A. attention
B. reproduction
C. motivation
D. retention

I chose A as if Jack was too short he may not perceive himself as being able to be like the player. but due to the vagueness of the question- for example, in some sports, being tall is no help, it's unreliable. perhaps reproduction may be a more sensible answer (that was the 'correct' answer) but still, height would not bar jack from imitating his favourite player unless it involved slam dunking a basketball

for the first one, i can see your frustration as in reality could be either. but i reckon its B because reproduction depends individual abililies. however you are right in that models that are similar among other things are payed attention to and since they are not similar he may not have payed attention to to the athlete

[bomb]

36 is D. I've never heard a textbook describing a behaviour as active/passive.

40 is B, because it did say it is his favorite player, so he's definitely paying full attention to him. In that case, the only difference height will make is in reproduction.

[matt123]

it appears to me they're not always involuntary. in TSSM 2008, question 28 of the multiple choice, the example given was clearly classical conditioning, but the response of the dog was not. is "running around in circles" an involuntary response?

http://vcenotes.com/forum/index.php/topic,30356.0.html 5th post down if you want to see the exam.

yet another question I find disagreeable:
Question 36. Behaviour which is learnt through operant conditioning is more likely to be
A. passive
B. active
C. invluntary
D. deliberate

I chose D, but the answer was B. I find this poor wording to say the least, as the association between a stimulus and response is an active association and the learner is active during conditioning, but to describe the behaviour elicited in operant conditioning, wouldn't most people describe it as deliberate?

this is close to becomming a rant. question 40:
Jack is quite short, however his favourite player is quite tall. This relates to which factor that might influence jack's learning?
A. attention
B. reproduction
C. motivation
D. retention

I chose A as if Jack was too short he may not perceive himself as being able to be like the player. but due to the vagueness of the question- for example, in some sports, being tall is no help, it's unreliable. perhaps reproduction may be a more sensible answer (that was the 'correct' answer) but still, height would not bar jack from imitating his favourite player unless it involved slam dunking a basketball

Look man.
I dont wanna be rude here.
But dont "rant" about stuff without reading the textbook.

The first one
Operant conditioning is "active" ... NOT deliberate
note : deliberate and active and VOLUNTARY are DIFFERENT things.
The nature of a response in operant conditioning is ACTIVE. and you should be able to spot that out

the second one
If jack is short and the footy player is tall....... it means that they are reffering to the fact that the footy player has a certain skill or ability ( or body part) which jack doesn't have , therefore he cannot COMPLETE THE RESPONSE SUCCESSFULLY.
and so
Then jack cannot REPRODUCE the skill ... so its reproduction.
Remember .. reproduction refers to the ability of an organism to perform the skill .. not just performing it.

I know im not clear.
but i hope that helps man.

Honestly
just read gravias if you have it. ... it tells u everything bout the nature of a response and the elements of observational learning.

EDIT : excuse my rudeness.
i just realized the question said .. " the behavior is active" and not the RESPONSE is active.

but still .. i would go with "active"
deliberate is not something that is used in psychology as a distinct term.
MC questions pretty much  test ur ability to spit out terms.

[bomb]

The first one
Operant conditioning is "active" ... NOT deliberate
note : deliberate and active and VOLUNTARY are DIFFERENT things.
The nature of a response in operant conditioning is ACTIVE. and you should be able to spot that out

Yes, conditioning is 'active' but the behaviour learned is described as deliberate.

[matt123]

The first one
Operant conditioning is "active" ... NOT deliberate
note : deliberate and active and VOLUNTARY are DIFFERENT things.
The nature of a response in operant conditioning is ACTIVE. and you should be able to spot that out

Yes, conditioning is 'active' but the behaviour learned is described as deliberate.

Its described at " voluntary"
deliberate means "purposeful" and voluntary means "intended"
so they are the same thing as you propose.

however.
Deliberate sounds .. "dodgy"
the behavior isnt deliberate ALL THE TIME ... thats the thing to keep inmind
it can be both voluntary and Involuntary


In saying this.
The question says " more likely to be"
So deliberate is "correct"

BUT
it dosnt sound right
and i think they just worded the question poorly as spreadbury insisted

otherwise
I would probably go with "active" in an exam setting , as this is what they are targeting
But I guess D is correct in this scenario.

[meadr05]

With the running around in circles thing, I would think that the CR in that case was excitement, not running around in circles.
Like in the Little Albert experiment, Albert's CR was fear at the rat's presentation, yet he tried to crawl away? The running in circles in not the CR, it's just a by-product of the CR

[bomb]

The first one
Operant conditioning is "active" ... NOT deliberate
note : deliberate and active and VOLUNTARY are DIFFERENT things.
The nature of a response in operant conditioning is ACTIVE. and you should be able to spot that out

Yes, conditioning is 'active' but the behaviour learned is described as deliberate.

Its described at " voluntary"
deliberate means "purposeful" and voluntary means "intended"
so they are the same thing as you propose.

however.
Deliberate sounds .. "dodgy"
the behavior isnt deliberate ALL THE TIME ... thats the thing to keep inmind
it can be both voluntary and Involuntary


In saying this.
The question says " more likely to be"
So deliberate is "correct"

BUT
it dosnt sound right
and i think they just worded the question poorly as spreadbury insisted

otherwise
I would probably go with "active" in an exam setting , as this is what they are targeting
But I guess D is correct in this scenario.

Page 465 Grivas/Carter

[Spreadbury]

but still .. i would go with "active"
deliberate is not something that is used in psychology as a distinct term.
MC questions pretty much  test ur ability to spit out terms.

'deliberate' doesn't appear in psychology?

Pg. 489 of grivas, last paragraph: "In classical conditioning the response is often one involving the action of the autonomic nervous system and the association of the two stimuli is often not a conscious or deliberate one"

also, if "the response by the learner is usually a voluntary one" in operant conditioning, the behaviour is most likely deliberate on behalf of the learner

[Spreadbury]

With the running around in circles thing, I would think that the CR in that case was excitement, not running around in circles.
Like in the Little Albert experiment, Albert's CR was fear at the rat's presentation, yet he tried to crawl away? The running in circles in not the CR, it's just a by-product of the CR

Little Albert involved both classical and operant conditioning (cited in Grivas). albert's fear response was trembling in presence of the rat, but according to Grivas crawling away from the rat was operant conditioning.

"when Little albert learned to fear the rat, his response (trembling) was classically conditioned. But when he learned to avoid the rat by crawling awa (a responsee that had the effect of reducing his fear), that was an example of operant conditioning)- Grivas Pg. 488