Methods 3+4 in Year 11?

[eeps]

My school this year, had some Year 11 students do Methods 3/4 and Accounting 3/4 together. We also had students do Biology 3/4 and Further 3/4 as 2 3/4 subjects as well. My school does allow students to do Methods 3/4 in Year 11, though that's on the pre-requisite that they did Methods 1/2 in Year 10 (and did reasonably well in Methods 1/2).

one of my mates is doing methods 3+4 in yr11, and he anal raped every sac he had... I reccon if you think you're up to it, go for it.

Ditto. We had one guy this year (in Year 11) who only lost 1 or 2 marks max all year round for SACs. He topped the year level (Year 12s included). He's guaranteed 50, if not 45+ minimum for Methods.

I might add that "the.watchman" who goes to my school, was also very, very good at Methods 3/4 this year. He's one of best in our year level. =p

[Greatness]

humph... i wanted to do methods 3/4 as well... but at least i got to do 2 3/4s which i stuffed up

[burbs]

couple of misconceptions about MHS here...

If I read correctly someone said MHS only lets you do Bio, Psych or Accounting 3/4 in yr 11. They do restrict us but not that much. You can do pretty much any subject except English, Maths or Chemistry/Physics. There may be a few more but I know you can do pretty much any commerce or humanities subject.

And MHS kind of allows uni extension, but you have to have done exceptionally well in yr 11 and jump through about 100000 hoops.

The whole reason for this is they feel they have the VCE formula right so that kids can be involved in co curricular whilst still getting a high ATAR (let's be honest, it works). The problem is they aren't flexible enough for those few exceptional people. I agree with you Rohit, for those students in Mathletes, I don't see the reason why they shouldn't be able to do methods.

[vea]

I did methods 3/4 in year 11 this year and while I agree that I would've been able to do better if I did it next year (not because of lack of maturity, more of a lack of confidence), I don't regret doing it as it is probably the easiest of the subjects I am doing. (besides Chinese but my ability in Chinese was no where near as good as it is now in year 9 when we were choosing 1/2s...)

Methods is one of those subjects where you can do well with minimal effort, as long as you pay attention in class the concepts are very easy to grasp and revising for SACs and exams are easy.

[ben_ess12]

My school this year, had some Year 11 students do Methods 3/4 and Accounting 3/4 together. We also had students do Biology 3/4 and Further 3/4 as 2 3/4 subjects as well. My school does allow students to do Methods 3/4 in Year 11, though that's on the pre-requisite that they did Methods 1/2 in Year 10 (and did reasonably well in Methods 1/2).

my school allows only the special ones to do methods 3/4 in yr 11 and they need to be exceptionally good to do it.

but allows most generally top students to complete further 3/4 along with another 3/4....

might be stupid question...what is macrob :S

[burbs]

MHS' female counterpart, without extra curricular.

[ben_ess12]

ahh kk cheers

[funkyducky]

I did it this year (yr 11), having done 1/2 last year. It's not a hard subject; I don't see what the big deal is.

EDIT: Each year, my school gives 3 academic prizes to the top 3 students in methods, by SAC ranking. They went to me, and two other year 11s - none of the year 12s.

[eeps]

my school allows only the special ones to do methods 3/4 in yr 11 and they need to be exceptionally good to do it.

but allows most generally top students to complete further 3/4 along with another 3/4....

might be stupid question...what is macrob :S

Same. Students at my school have to apply to do two 3/4 subjects in Year 11 and that's generally the smarter students (in most cases).

As for Mac.Rob, it's one of the best schools in the state. Them and MHS have topped the state academically for the past few years.

[Romperait]

lol I did methods 3/4 this year without ever doing 1/2. Shouldn't really be that big a deal.

[ben_ess12]

Same. Students at my school have to apply to do two 3/4 subjects in Year 11 and that's generally the smarter students (in most cases).

As for Mac.Rob, it's one of the best schools in the state. Them and MHS have topped the state academically for the past few years.

ah kk gues living on the peninsula dont hear much of them and only being yr 10 never took to much notice of VCE scores till recently...
i had to appy to do the two 3/4s in 2011 for reasons such as sporting comittments balencing school and sport in yr 12 ad still doing well...

[Greatness]

lol I did methods 3/4 this year without ever doing 1/2. Shouldn't really be that big a deal.

What a pro  good luck with your results

[eeps]

I did it this year (yr 11), having done 1/2 last year. It's not a hard subject; I don't see what the big deal is.

IMO there isn't a big deal about doing Methods 3/4 in Year 11. It's more the fact that so many students want to do it in Year 11 and that some schools restrict students from doing it. In some cases, schools think students will do better in Methods 3/4 in Year 12 than in Year 11. IMO it's probably one of the harder 3/4 subjects do to in Year 11, along with Biology 3/4 (where there is a lot to remember). Some schools are more stringent on these sort of things.

Obviously those doing Methods 3/4 in Year 11 have some capability. We had one student last year in Year 11 who got 46 raw for Methods and 44 raw for Accounting, that guy has ability.

[funkyducky]

^ 3 of the Year 12s at my school who did Methods 3/4 last year, in Year 11, got 50. If kids have that kind of ability, they should of course be allowed to do the subject in year 11.
I have a friend who got 46 in Methods and 47 in Latin, both in year 11.

I think it's unfair for schools to just say "No you can't" to high achieving students - especially at a school like MHS, where a large portion of the student body would be capable of undertaking the subject a year early.

[eeps]

I think it's unfair for schools to just say "No you can't" to high achieving students - especially at a school like MHS, where a large portion of the student body would be capable of undertaking the subject a year early.

I agree with that.

I think the presumption is that schools like MHS have seen very capable students in Year 11 do Methods 3/4 in the past, and haven't done as well as they hoped. I don't go to MHS so I can't give the reason as to why, that's just my thinking. In any case if they were "high achieving" students, they should perform just as well in Year 12 as the would have, had they done Methods in Year 11.