A high GPA

[vexx]

Your best option then is probably the Science Scholar's Program or whatever it's called at Monash, ATAR of 99.XX and you can choose all your subjects.
And not just science since at monash you can't choose your subjects either with Biomedicine.

I'd say Science at melbourne is the best option (after the scholar's program), since you can choose breadth subjects that you know you can do well at. For example languages, if you start learning the language now, you can always be ahead of the class, and its pretty easy if you learn a language like Spanish that was many resources available to practice/learn and since its probably the easiest language to learn - i can tell you how if you want... but you wont have troubles and then can fly through each year. And then when your breadth requirement is up (you dont have to do 8 anymore, the requirement is less) drop Spanish and enjoy freedom of subjects+major.. Go melbourne science I'd say..
If you enjoy the uni more, its more likely you'll put in the effort to do well..

[stonecold]

Your best option then is probably the Science Scholar's Program or whatever it's called at Monash, ATAR of 99.XX and you can choose all your subjects.
And not just science since at monash you can't choose your subjects either with Biomedicine.

I'd say Science at melbourne is the best option (after the scholar's program), since you can choose breadth subjects that you know you can do well at. For example languages, if you start learning the language now, you can always be ahead of the class, and its pretty easy if you learn a language like Spanish that was many resources available to practice/learn and since its probably the easiest language to learn - i can tell you how if you want... but you wont have troubles and then can fly through each year. And then when your breadth requirement is up (you dont have to do 8 anymore, the requirement is less) drop Spanish and enjoy freedom of subjects+major.. Go melbourne science I'd say..
If you enjoy the uni more, its more likely you'll put in the effort to do well..

Thanks.  So you are saying Scholars program at Monash before UoM Science?

And I agree about the Unis.  I cannot bring myself to going to Monash.  It looks so dull.
Everything is going to hinge on Breadth.  I don't really understand the system or how it works, and which subjects I should choose to do/exploit...  I am not keen at all on essay writing, which most seem to involve.

Sorry to quote your location, but I am 'vaguely lost' haha

Edit:  Will not get a 40 in Methods, so can cross Scholars Program off. 

[vexx]

You will definitely get 40 in methods.
But i would never put the scholars program before melbourne simply because i dont like monash ^^
i was just saying for your situation if you really cared...

Id say go to melbourne, and do the required breadth - its not much but its good to do something different.

[stonecold]

You will definitely get 40 in methods.
But i would never put the scholars program before melbourne simply because i dont like monash ^^
i was just saying for your situation if you really cared...

Id say go to melbourne, and do the required breadth - its not much but its good to do something different.

Trust me I wont.   Absolute disaster, as I would have bet everything I own on getting 40+ in methods at the start of the year.  Oh well.

So looking at this

https://breadth.unimelb.edu.au/breadth/info/Science.html

You only need to do 2 breadth subjects per semester is that right?  Then I can take more science subs?

And yeah, I just cannot bring myself to go to Monash.  Currently have:
1. BioMed @ UoM
2. Science @ UoM

[98.40_for_sure]

I hope you're not saying what i think you're saying... choosing subjects purely for GPA? Pick what you enjoy and you WILL get into med. Don't mickey your way through, that's what fags do.

[vexx]

You will definitely get 40 in methods.
But i would never put the scholars program before melbourne simply because i dont like monash ^^
i was just saying for your situation if you really cared...

Id say go to melbourne, and do the required breadth - its not much but its good to do something different.

Trust me I wont.   Absolute disaster, as I would have bet everything I own on getting 40+ in methods at the start of the year.  Oh well.

So looking at this

https://breadth.unimelb.edu.au/breadth/info/Science.html

You only need to do 2 breadth subjects per semester is that right?  Then I can take more science subs?

And yeah, I just cannot bring myself to go to Monash.  Currently have:
1. BioMed @ UoM
2. Science @ UoM

you take 1 per semester, but then you can go back to just science subjects after doing a few breadth subjects, i think its 4 or 6, sorry can't remember but check the site.

but do science if you want more choice, really only first year though, so you should do what you feel is best.
i think biomed is only better because of the focus on humans rather then on plants too for the biology subjects i have no interest in plant biology so wont be too keen to listen/learn. thats just a little thing though
i bet you can get an HD for calculas & data analysis so its fine.
im sure physics could be fine too

but yep up to you to choose biomed or science!

[Russ]

I don't think you should be seriously considering changing degrees because of breadth. Nobody I know hates the breadth subjects for damaging their GPA. Assuming you do the bare minimum of 4 breadth, given the weighting of subjects it works out to only be 12.5% (1/8th) of your 3 year GPA. There are breadth subjects that are great, there are breadth subjects that are horrible (you can replace breadth with science elective).

I personally love the breadth program, but I can appreciate how you'd be intimidated if you don't like essay writing - there are plenty of breadth that don't require it and you can do well in. If you don't mind being bored for a semester, do introductory microeconomics because it's really not that hard. That said, get used to writing essays and reports because you'll have to do it, even in science/biomed. I probably wrote 5-6000 words of reports this semester.

Yes you definitely need to do science/biomed at melbourne doing biology/chemistry subjects in order to do MD at melbourne, but not other degrees

You can theoretically do it through breadth in any other degree but if you're going to do that, I'm not sure why you wouldn't just go BSc in the first place.

[vexx]

^ Yeah you can, but you need to overload and pay heaps of money or do at another uni (like open uni but very expensive) to do extra subjects due to two semesters of biology, 2 semesters of chemistry (first year) are required as well as the three anatomy, physiology & biochemistry = 7 subjects..

anyways agreeing with Russ do breadth! they are fun, who wants to live life if its all about planning ahead so much and ruining your fun now?
i am doing double breadth perhaps the entire time (diploma+breadth) since i'd rather have fun with subjects i want to do as well as science ones, then have to think back in the future and how i should have done those..

[Edmund]

You can do Pass/Fail breadth subjects like African Drum and Dance that's really easy and doesn't count towards GPA.

I also suggest planning your breadth sequence well and don't be deceived by the awesome looking handbook entry. Look up student subject reviews and ask your friends for lecture notes to see what the subject is like.

[Russ]

Also, don't do anything with sex in the name just because of that

[stonecold]

I don't think you should be seriously considering changing degrees because of breadth. Nobody I know hates the breadth subjects for damaging their GPA. Assuming you do the bare minimum of 4 breadth, given the weighting of subjects it works out to only be 12.5% (1/8th) of your 3 year GPA. There are breadth subjects that are great, there are breadth subjects that are horrible (you can replace breadth with science elective).

I personally love the breadth program, but I can appreciate how you'd be intimidated if you don't like essay writing - there are plenty of breadth that don't require it and you can do well in. If you don't mind being bored for a semester, do introductory microeconomics because it's really not that hard. That said, get used to writing essays and reports because you'll have to do it, even in science/biomed. I probably wrote 5-6000 words of reports this semester.

Yes you definitely need to do science/biomed at melbourne doing biology/chemistry subjects in order to do MD at melbourne, but not other degrees

You can theoretically do it through breadth in any other degree but if you're going to do that, I'm not sure why you wouldn't just go BSc in the first place.

That is fine.  Like I said, it would take a lot for me to even consider Monash.  So only 4 breadth subjects over the whole degree?  I have no issue with that.  I thought it was like four per year or something.    One subject outside of science per semester will be a nice break.  I will just need to choose between biomed and science, but as vexx says, I am not at all keen on plant biology, so still leaning towards biomed.  The rest seems pretty standard (physics and chem) and then after that everything is related to human biology which I know that I will enjoy.  Calculus will also break things up nicely.  

Just wanted to be sure, because I know I will need a relatively good GPA that is all.  

I hope you're not saying what i think you're saying... choosing subjects purely for GPA? Pick what you enjoy and you WILL get into med. Don't mickey your way through, that's what fags do.

Aren't you going to Monash?  

And no, I am not choosing them purely for GPA, but I need to ensure I can do well in them.  It is in everyones interest to play the system to an extent, rather than what happened in VCE where I lacked sufficient knowledge about the system until it was too late and got dudded everywhere.  (no lote, no spesh maths, no extra year 11 3/4s, no enhancement subs etc.)

[rustic_metal]

that's what fags do.

There are a LOT of people at uni who would take serious offence to that sort of rubbish. There are a lot more who would stick up for mates who would.

Lift your game.

[vexx]

that's what fags do.

There are a LOT of people at uni who would take serious offence to that sort of rubbish. There are a lot more who would stick up for mates who would.

Lift your game.

i'm sure many wouldn't take offence - exaggeration. but most would agree it was inappropriate or at least didn't make sense in that context.

[mikee65]

3 questions

1) vexx im a little confused about that plant biology ect because all subjects in biomed are offered in bSc except like 2 of them but still eg biochem is the same biochem between degrees ie no discrepancy yea?

2) So if youre planning do the MD at UoM, and not have done chem or physics at school what should be done? Anatomy, physiology, chem and biology and or biochemistry ? not both?

3)What kind of breadth subjects are people taking is there a list to choose from or something?

[stonecold]

3 questions

1) vexx im a little confused about that plant biology ect because all subjects in biomed are offered in bSc except like 2 of them but still eg biochem is the same biochem between degrees ie no discrepancy yea?

2) So if youre planning do the MD at UoM, and not have done chem or physics at school what should be done? Anatomy, physiology, chem and biology and or biochemistry ? not both?

3)What kind of breadth subjects are people taking is there a list to choose from or something?

1.  The subjects are different.  Instead of Chemistry, Physics and Biology they are all 'Chemistry, Physics and Biology for Biomedicine.'

2.  As you have not done chem, I think you may have to do science at monash, as it is not a prereq there.  (not 100% sure though)
    Edit: Just checked and methods + biology is fine for science @ melb.

3.  https://handbook.unimelb.edu.au/faces/htdocs/user/breadth/BreadthSearch.jsp