engineering at UoM

[Kopite]

is engineering in UoM that bad compare to Monash and RMIT?
i'm planning to do bachelor of environments + Master of environmental engineering

You've probably heard that Monash is a lot more practical than UoM. Like rustic said, I'm curious as to how often engineering students would utilize the wind tunnel/synchrotron, and whether it is really does enrich the learning experience.

I did 20 experiments within my COMMERCE degree during a three year duration. A third year Monash civil engineering student was suprised as to how much practical stuff I had done.

Practical in the sense that monash makes every engineering student complete 12 weeks of vacation work at an engineering firm. Don't think melbourne does this.

Don't be fooled by the bullshit title, "master of .... engineering', it's only just a name. You'll still have the same qualifications as someone that completed a bach of engineering at monash (in less time too)

I highly doubt this is the point of difference. Any half-decent graduate will have looked for vacation work. 85%+ of melb uni graduates will have completed an internship before they graduate.

and thx, i think people have already realised m.e graduates do the exact same subjects as a b.eng graduate, with a bit more depth in physics, chem/relevant sciences.

[taiga]

is engineering in UoM that bad compare to Monash and RMIT?
i'm planning to do bachelor of environments + Master of environmental engineering

You've probably heard that Monash is a lot more practical than UoM. Like rustic said, I'm curious as to how often engineering students would utilize the wind tunnel/synchrotron, and whether it is really does enrich the learning experience.

I did 20 experiments within my COMMERCE degree during a three year duration. A third year Monash civil engineering student was suprised as to how much practical stuff I had done.

Practical in the sense that monash makes every engineering student complete 12 weeks of vacation work at an engineering firm. Don't think melbourne does this.

Don't be fooled by the bullshit title, "master of .... engineering', it's only just a name. You'll still have the same qualifications as someone that completed a bach of engineering at monash (in less time too)

wont employers also be fooled by the "master of .... engineering"

[iffets12345]

But employers will have an eng back ground themselves yea? So like, they'll kinda know what the system is like. Lost of dentists/doctors I know, know about the Biomed issue.
Anyways, this thread is scaring me.

[cohen]

This is slight off-topic, but could you complete a double degree (Software engineering/Science (majoring in physics probably)) at UoM? I've had a look at Monash's Bachelor of engineering/Science, but software engineering isn't available in that double degree (only computer systems is)

[crappy]

is engineering in UoM that bad compare to Monash and RMIT?
i'm planning to do bachelor of environments + Master of environmental engineering

You've probably heard that Monash is a lot more practical than UoM. Like rustic said, I'm curious as to how often engineering students would utilize the wind tunnel/synchrotron, and whether it is really does enrich the learning experience.

I did 20 experiments within my COMMERCE degree during a three year duration. A third year Monash civil engineering student was suprised as to how much practical stuff I had done.

Practical in the sense that monash makes every engineering student complete 12 weeks of vacation work at an engineering firm. Don't think melbourne does this.

Don't be fooled by the bullshit title, "master of .... engineering', it's only just a name. You'll still have the same qualifications as someone that completed a bach of engineering at monash (in less time too)

I highly doubt this is the point of difference. Any half-decent graduate will have looked for vacation work. 85%+ of melb uni graduates will have completed an internship before they graduate.

and thx, i think people have already realised m.e graduates do the exact same subjects as a b.eng graduate, with a bit more depth in physics, chem/relevant sciences.

Where did you pull that figure from?


I'm just saying, why waste another year of your life at uni, when you could already be working?

[TrueLight]

This is slight off-topic, but could you complete a double degree (Software engineering/Science (majoring in physics probably)) at UoM? I've had a look at Monash's Bachelor of engineering/Science, but software engineering isn't available in that double degree (only computer systems is)

take a look here
http://www.eng.unimelb.edu.au/future/specialisations/computerscience.html
and here
http://bsc.unimelb.edu.au/majors/major/softwaresys

monash has a bachelor of software engineering but i think your right

[rustic_metal]

and thx, i think people have already realised m.e graduates do the exact same subjects as a b.eng graduate, with a bit more depth in physics, chem/relevant sciences.

Nah, the first 4 years of BSci+MEng is the same subjects as a BEng graduate in the old Melbourne degrees. The final year of masters is basically 5th year engineering.

Where did you pull that figure from?


I'm just saying, why waste another year of your life at uni, when you could already be working?

To learn more engineering? You'll be working for 40 years or something anyway.

[crappy]

and thx, i think people have already realised m.e graduates do the exact same subjects as a b.eng graduate, with a bit more depth in physics, chem/relevant sciences.

Nah, the first 4 years of BSci+MEng is the same subjects as a BEng graduate in the old Melbourne degrees. The final year of masters is basically 5th year engineering.

Where did you pull that figure from?


I'm just saying, why waste another year of your life at uni, when you could already be working?

To learn more engineering? You'll be working for 40 years or something anyway.

From what I've been told (dad,relatives etc) most of the things you learn in uni wont even be used in the real world anyway.
I dunno, its up to the OP

[Kopite]

is engineering in UoM that bad compare to Monash and RMIT?
i'm planning to do bachelor of environments + Master of environmental engineering

You've probably heard that Monash is a lot more practical than UoM. Like rustic said, I'm curious as to how often engineering students would utilize the wind tunnel/synchrotron, and whether it is really does enrich the learning experience.

I did 20 experiments within my COMMERCE degree during a three year duration. A third year Monash civil engineering student was suprised as to how much practical stuff I had done.

Practical in the sense that monash makes every engineering student complete 12 weeks of vacation work at an engineering firm. Don't think melbourne does this.

Don't be fooled by the bullshit title, "master of .... engineering', it's only just a name. You'll still have the same qualifications as someone that completed a bach of engineering at monash (in less time too)

I highly doubt this is the point of difference. Any half-decent graduate will have looked for vacation work. 85%+ of melb uni graduates will have completed an internship before they graduate.

and thx, i think people have already realised m.e graduates do the exact same subjects as a b.eng graduate, with a bit more depth in physics, chem/relevant sciences.

Where did you pull that figure from?


I'm just saying, why waste another year of your life at uni, when you could already be working?

Every single one of my friends has already started looking for/applying for internships. UoM is the best university in Victoria, arguably one of the best in Australia, you'd think that its students would be well aware of how good an internship looks on your CV. Vacation work is no big secret. Difference is, at Monash you have years of study, waiting to be accredited through the attainment of your degree after vacation work, at Melbourne, you have your degree.

Of course, at the end of the day, employers will be looking at the person rather than the uni they attend. Monash does not help you obtain an internship/vacation work, so it is not easier to get vacation work there. So you'd think that the same person applying from either Monash or Melbourne would have the same chance of being accepted into the internship.

[Kopite]

@ rustic - are you sure?? because in first year, don't you do science subjects + esd and others, which old b.eng people would not have done?? sorry if i'm incorrect, i might be behind with this as i'm doing commerce and m.e and not as knowledgeable about the b.sci + m.e pathway. 

[Kopite]

But employers will have an eng back ground themselves yea? So like, they'll kinda know what the system is like. Lost of dentists/doctors I know, know about the Biomed issue.
Anyways, this thread is scaring me.

The thing is that there are a lot more universities offering engineering as opposed to MBBS and dental sciences. So the graduate pool is a lot larger, UoM would probably provide only a small percentage of those graduates. However, for MBBS and dental sciences, there are only three universities offering those courses? So the graduate pool will be a lot smaller, and UoM offering a higher percentage of those graduates. Thus you'd expect employers to be a bit more aware of the process in those professions.

[rustic_metal]

From what I've been told (dad,relatives etc) most of the things you learn in uni wont even be used in the real world anyway.
I dunno, its up to the OP

Yeahnah. After a decade or two you'll have learnt so much that you wouldn't be able to do your job with just what you learnt at uni any more, but what you learnt at uni will never be useless. Everything you learn at uni will be used (well, for the most part), but not everything you'll use you will have learnt at uni. Sorta hard to build a debouncer or something if you haven't learnt about NAND gates, for example. That's obviously a simplistic example, but it applies to theory taught in later years too. I know I'd be screwed if I started working at SPAusnet now.

@ rustic - are you sure?? because in first year, don't you do science subjects + esd and others, which old b.eng people would not have done?? sorry if i'm incorrect, i might be behind with this as i'm doing commerce and m.e and not as knowledgeable about the b.sci + m.e pathway.  

Nah, BEng students have to do the same stuff in first year. Taking electrical engineering as an example, you need all of first year in terms of physics and up to eng maths (2nd year, 2nd semester) in terms of maths, since they're prerequisites for the later engineering subjects (the eng subjects you do in years 1-4 are the same for BEng and BSci+MEng).

That all applies when comparing the current BSci+MEng stream to the 2008 BEng degree they've just phased out. The first 4 years of both are literally the same subjects (but BEng does the project in 4th year while MEng does it in 5th). It doesn't apply to pre-2008 BEng degrees, in which the subjects were completely different. You still had to do all the physics, maths and programming you do now, except they were named as engineering subjects. For example, the equivalent of the current eng maths was Engineering Analysis A & B. Programming was also taught as a separate subject right from first year, as opposed to the current (and in my opinion, superior) system whereby relevant programming is taught constantly throughout all engineering subjects and more complicated C type stuff is learnt through subjects such as Engineering Computation. The pre-2008 system was also very similar in terms of subjects, since it was basically the post-2008 system without breadth, but crushed down to 3 years with the 4th year occupied entirely by a year-long project.

[rustic_metal]

This is slight off-topic, but could you complete a double degree (Software engineering/Science (majoring in physics probably)) at UoM? I've had a look at Monash's Bachelor of engineering/Science, but software engineering isn't available in that double degree (only computer systems is)

You can fit all of the subjects in the software systems major as well as all of the subjects in the physics major into the standard 3 year BSci degree at Melbourne. It will only say you have one major on your degree, but you'll have your transcript so you can show you've done both. You'll also be qualified for higher study in either field.

[Kopite]

You still had to do all the physics, maths and programming you do now, except they were named as engineering subject.

Oh ok, i think this is where i was getting confused. Because i was talking to my cousin, who was one of the old b.eng graduates, and he said that he didn't have to do physics or whatever from the science/maths department. so pretty much, school of eng cut all of its science subs and handblled it to the science faculty ahaah

[rustic_metal]

You still had to do all the physics, maths and programming you do now, except they were named as engineering subject.

Oh ok, i think this is where i was getting confused. Because i was talking to my cousin, who was one of the old b.eng graduates, and he said that he didn't have to do physics or whatever from the science/maths department. so pretty much, school of eng cut all of its science subs and handblled it to the science faculty ahaah

Yeah pretty much, though they never used to require as much physics as they do now (it was mainly mechanical and civil that required it).

And argh what a bad typo. Total Engrish!

It really varies from uni to uni what each degree means. For example, The University of Glasgow's second year electrical subjects are literally equivalent to the third year electrical engineering subjects at Melbourne, but the flipside is that their degree is only 3 years long, so it's about the same as a BEng or a BSci + 1 year of masters at Melbourne. You then either do honours (making it 4 years all up) or masters (5 years all up). Looking at the subjects, it seems like BEng (hon) at Glasgow is about the same as BSci+MEng at Melbourne.

It's a bit of a long winded example, but you can see that just because the name of the degree means nothing when comparing them from institution to institution, it doesn't automatically mean that it's the same either. I've had a bit of a look at some of the Monash subjects - though I don't claim to be an expert on them or anything - and it looks like the BEng at Monash is roughly equivalent in content to the BEng at Melbourne. Given that the BSci+MEng at Melbourne is just the BEng at Melbourne with a 5th year of eng tacked on the end, I'm assuming that it's also roughly equivalent to the BEng at Monash with an extra year. For reference, the BEng+MEng at Glasgow looks to be the BSci+MEng at Melbourne with an extra semester or two added onto the end.

I'm not certain about the Monash subject equivalence, since it's easy to understand your own subjects, but difficult to know enough about subjects at another uni you have nothing to do with to reliably draw equivalence for subjects you've never taken (which is why you shouldn't believe anybody who whips out the old "they're the same, but one's longer!" myth whenever Melbourne engineering is mentioned). I can only talk reliably about Melbourne and Glasgow's engineering courses and can only reliably compare current and previous engineering courses at Melbourne. Since I've shown that the post-2008 changes aren't as detrimental as Monash students are always spouting (really, when do we make any judgements about your course structures at all  ), I think it's fairly safe to say that it's just hysteria.