engineering at UoM

[iffets12345]

But employers will have an eng back ground themselves yea? So like, they'll kinda know what the system is like. Lost of dentists/doctors I know, know about the Biomed issue.
Anyways, this thread is scaring me.

The thing is that there are a lot more universities offering engineering as opposed to MBBS and dental sciences. So the graduate pool is a lot larger, UoM would probably provide only a small percentage of those graduates. However, for MBBS and dental sciences, there are only three universities offering those courses? So the graduate pool will be a lot smaller, and UoM offering a higher percentage of those graduates. Thus you'd expect employers to be a bit more aware of the process in those professions.

But UoM and Monash are always big players (if theyre not excuse my ignorance) and since UoM is usually considered you know, top for research/whatever, wouldn't most companies be aware of what they're doing to the education system.

[nonstop9328]

ahhh soooooo engineering at UoM isn't bad at all right?

[rustic_metal]

If you want to get to the top floor of old eng in the next few weeks, you need to take a painfully slow elevator since they're doing summer renovations. Other than that, no.

[mankay]

- You have to take first year physics (terrible subjects, but you can drop it after first year).

Are you sure? The only mention of physics as a requirement is this subject:
 https://handbook.unimelb.edu.au/view/2011/431-227
Foundations of Electrical Networks

And all that mentions is "VCE Physics OR equivalent". So do you have to do those first year physics subjects if you haven't done Vce Physics?

[rustic_metal]

- You have to take first year physics (terrible subjects, but you can drop it after first year).

Are you sure? The only mention of physics as a requirement is this subject:
 https://handbook.unimelb.edu.au/view/2011/431-227
Foundations of Electrical Networks

And all that mentions is "VCE Physics OR equivalent". So do you have to do those first year physics subjects if you haven't done Vce Physics?

My bad, looks like you don't need physics at all. Pretty much every BSci engie who isn't doing chemical takes first year physics, though.

[mankay]

What if you haven't done VCE Physics, would one need to do first year physics instead?

Might have to end up emailing them :/

[rustic_metal]

Yeah, take Physics 1: Fundamentals and Physics 2: Physical Science & Technology. It might only be Physics 1 that's technically required, but first year physics is pretty important for engineers, particularly the electrics, kinematics, mechanics and fluids (some is taught in engineering, but it's pretty much glossed over since they expect you to know it).

Depends which stream of engineering you're planning, too. Which is your area?

[mankay]

Ah that's a lot. I wanted to keep as many first year subjects as free as possible (i haven't decided 100% which major i want).

I haven't started yet, but i'm planning to do electrical. Who's the best person/department to find out exactly what i need to take?

Edit: Actually i was wrong. You do need physics 102 as a prereq for Electrical Device Modelling. Damn. That means i'll have to decide my major in first year

Also, did you do VCE Physics?

[rustic_metal]

Everybody you talk to will just tell you to go to the handbook. I can fill you in though, since I'm an elec major:

Subjects you have to take:

1st year:
- Engineering Systems Design 2
- Calculus 1 (unless you've done spesh)
- Calculus 2
- Linear Algebra
- Physics 1: Fundamentals (if you haven't done VCE physics or did poorly in it) OR Physics 1: Fundamentals (if you did VCE physics and did reasonably well)
- Physics 2: Physical Science & Technology

2nd year:
- Foundations of Electrical Networks
- Engineering Mathematics

3rd year:
- Digital Systems Design
- Electrical Network Analysis and Design
- Electrical Device Modelling
- Signals and Systems

Subjects you really should do or that most electrical engies do:

1st year:
- Engineering Systems Design 1 (even though it's pretty shit, it's an easy mark and introduces you to some matlab stuff. you don't have to, though)

2nd year:
- Enginering Mechanics
- Engineering Computation
- Programming the Machine (Unless you got a H1 in Engineering Computation)

3rd year:
- Electronic System Implementation (probably the most important 'elective' subject for electrical engineering students)
- Algorithms and Data Structures

The software subjects are really useful for electrical engineering, so a lot of us take at least eng comp and programming the machine.

You can keep electrical, mechanical and software engineering majors open by taking those three subjects at second year level and choose your major(s) when you get to third year (though you'll need to do PTM in 2nd year 2nd semester for software, too)

EDIT: Yeah, I did physics in VCE.

[rustic_metal]

Edit: Actually i was wrong. You do need physics 102 as a prereq for Electrical Device Modelling. Damn. That means i'll have to decide my major in first year

Haha thought so! I knew I didn't torture myself all year for nothing!

Which majors are you looking at? You should be able to keep at least 2-3 of them open in first year.

[mankay]

Everybody you talk to will just tell you to go to the handbook.

I had a feeling that might be the case :/

I can fill you in though, since I'm an elec major:

Wow, that is incredibly helpful. Thank you!

Which majors are you looking at? You should be able to keep at least 2-3 of them open in first year.

Well, a few actually

Mathematics, Engineering and Psychology (accred.), and *maybe* chemistry.

Based off the first year subjects, if i do the first year eng subjects, that leaves me with two sem 1 free subjects, and two breadths. Not enough to leave the option to do an accredited psych major (as i need the two electives for later). I'm crushed :/

On a semi-related note, do you know if it's possible to do level 3/third year subjects earlier if they dont have any pre-reqs?

[rustic_metal]

Well, a few actually

Mathematics, Engineering and Psychology (accred.), and *maybe* chemistry.

Based off the first year subjects, if i do the first year eng subjects, that leaves me with two sem 1 free subjects, and two breadths. Not enough to leave the option to do an accredited psych major (as i need the two electives for later). I'm crushed :/

Did you do spesh? If you did...

1st year 1st sem:
- Calc 2
- Physics 1: fundamentals
- Breadth (dropping mind, brain & behaviour 1 - you'll get by fine without it)
- Breadth (dropping ESD1 - lulz)

1st year 2nd sem:
- Lin alg
- Physics 2: technology
- Mind, brain & behaviour 2
- ESD2

2nd year 1st sem:
- Eng mech
- Biological psych OR developmental psych
- Engineering Computation (H1)
- Breadth

2nd year 2nd sem:
- Foundations of electrical networks (FoEN)
- Engineering Maths
- Cognitive psych OR personality and social psych
- Breadth

That'll keep electrical eng, mechanical eng, software eng and psychology open until the end of second year and maths until the end of first year. You can then take 8 subjects at 300 level, since all 4 of your breadth subjects have been completed, which usually equates to 2 majors or just under it (note that Melbourne won't put both majors on your degree).

If you want to do maths you'll have to rearrange everything after first year, but there's also the option of taking on a concurrent Diploma of Mathematical Science, which will add an extra year to your course. It will also absorb a couple of the maths subjects from the rest of your degree, giving you more room for other subjects (e.g. adding chem 1 and 2 to your BSci and moving calc 2 and lin alg to the diploma). You might have to do this if you haven't done spesh, since you'll need calc 1 as well. With that you'll still be able to keep electrical eng, mechanical eng, software eng and psychology open until the end of second year, but you'll also be able to keep chem open until the end of first year and add a maths major without cutting into anything else.

On a semi-related note, do you know if it's possible to do level 3/third year subjects earlier if they dont have any pre-reqs?

Yeah, you can do any subject at any time so long as you have the prereqs and you're in the right course for it.

[mankay]

Yeah, you can do any subject at any time so long as you have the prereqs and you're in the right course for it.

Alright sweet. One issue though, Physics 1 says i require VCE Physics or equivilent. I didn't do Physics 3+4. Do they actually check prereqs for VCE subjects?

Did you do spesh? If you did...

Yeah i did spesh, as well as UMEP (basically Accelerated Maths 1).

Thanks for that too, though ive been working an a modified one (as i'll be taking credit for UMEP and i *need* psych 1 for accrediation if i go down that path - its a "extended" major)

This should allow me to take psych to the end of first year:

Year 1
Sem 1 -  Physics 1, Psychology 1, Breadth,  Breadth
Sem 2 - ESD 2, physics 2, Accelerated maths 2, Psychology 2

Year 2
Sem 1 - Engineering maths, ?, ?,  Breadth
Sem 2 - Foundations of electrical networks, engineering computation, ?, Breadth

This should satisfy needing 3 maths for an eng major too?

[rustic_metal]

Alright sweet. One issue though, Physics 1 says i require VCE Physics or equivilent. I didn't do Physics 3+4. Do they actually check prereqs for VCE subjects?

Physics 1: Fundamentals is the subject you're after.

And yes, they do. While the academic transcript you receive at uni only has your overall marks and grades for each subject, the faculty has access to a far more detailed transcript of every subject you've done since year 11 and a bunch of other things. Your GAT scores, study scores, marks for each 3/4 subject (as in how each subject is split into GA 1-3 or whatever they're called), uni assessment marks, uni grades, enter score, umat, etc. It's all loaded onto the database, too, so the enrolment system checks that you've done 3/4 physics when you enrol in Physics 1. Don't even try to get a hold of that transcript, though. They don't give it out to students and generally never mention it either (it looks like a Campion booklist, so it's obviously not something you'd give to your boss  )

Yeah i did spesh, as well as UMEP (basically Accelerated Maths 1).

Awesome. UMEP maths is basically the ultimate tool for fucking with the system at uni and getting away with a load of shortcuts.

i'll be taking credit for UMEP

Why? That's the last thing you want to do! If you take credit for UMEP, it means you get one subject less overall (23 over three years instead of 24) and you'll have to do 3 subjects for one semester, which will basically screw up your plans, lol.

i *need* psych 1 for accrediation if i go down that path

Doable.

This should satisfy needing 3 maths for an eng major too?

Nah, you don't need that.

Given that you've done UMEP...

1st year 1st sem:
- Mind, brain & behaviour 1
- Physics 1: fundamentals
- Chem 1 (It'll give you a taste and let you see if you want to continue with it, anyway).
- Breadth (dropping ESD1 - lulz)

1st year 2nd sem:
- Engineering Maths
- Physics 2: technology
- Mind, brain & behaviour 2
- ESD2

2nd year 1st sem:
- Eng mech
- Biological psych OR developmental psych
- Engineering Computation (H1)
- Breadth

2nd year 2nd sem:
- Foundations of electrical networks (FoEN)
- Breadth
- Cognitive psych OR personality and social psych
- Breadth

That'll give you the option to choose any two of psych (that accredited thing you're talking about - why aren't you just taking honours, again? :S), electrical eng, mechanical eng and software eng.

Just be careful with eng maths. Carnage (the subject coordinator) doesn't think UMEP is enough to do eng maths (which it totally is), so he kicked my mate out of it, even though he'd already got a waiver from the student centre. I, on the other hand, was in exactly the same situation, but I didn't get kicked out. The difference? He went to class, realised he wasn't on the roll and chased it up, so Carnage realised he did UMEP and not calc 2 + lin alg. Meanwhile, I wagged basically every lecture and never went to tutes, so he didn't even know who I was. Moral of the story: don't go to class or you might get kicked out.

If you have trouble getting into eng maths at the start of the year (you enrol in both semesters at once) or you want to play it extra safe...replace chem 1 with breadth, eng maths with accel maths 2 and any of the 2nd year breadth subjects with eng maths.


...I should get a job at the student centre.

[mankay]

Alright sweet. One issue though, Physics 1 says i require VCE Physics or equivilent. I didn't do Physics 3+4. Do they actually check prereqs for VCE subjects?

Physics 1: Fundamentals is the subject you're after.

And yes, they do. While the academic transcript you receive at uni only has your overall marks and grades for each subject, the faculty has access to a far more detailed transcript of every subject you've done since year 11 and a bunch of other things. Your GAT scores, study scores, marks for each 3/4 subject (as in how each subject is split into GA 1-3 or whatever they're called), uni assessment marks, uni grades, enter score, umat, etc. It's all loaded onto the database, too, so the enrolment system checks that you've done 3/4 physics when you enrol in Physics 1. Don't even try to get a hold of that transcript, though. They don't give it out to students and generally never mention it either (it looks like a Campion booklist, so it's obviously not something you'd give to your boss  )

Ah sweet, that should sort that out. However, i Just looked at the pre-reqs for Physics 2, and that requires "Vce physics 3+4" and doesnt have any mention of "or equivilent". Am i screwed?

Yeah i did spesh, as well as UMEP (basically Accelerated Maths 1).

Awesome. UMEP maths is basically the ultimate tool for fucking with the system at uni and getting away with a load of shortcuts.

Yeah, that's partially why i did it Thought it might open up a few doors

i'll be taking credit for UMEP

Why? That's the last thing you want to do! If you take credit for UMEP, it means you get one subject less overall (23 over three years instead of 24) and you'll have to do 3 subjects for one semester, which will basically screw up your plans, lol.

Oh really? I thought it would do the opposite (i.e. i'd get another subject to do). So if i dont take credit, i still can use it as pre-req for other subject yeah

i *need* psych 1 for accrediation if i go down that path

Doable.

This should satisfy needing 3 maths for an eng major too?

Nah, you don't need that.

Given that you've done UMEP...

1st year 1st sem:
- Mind, brain & behaviour 1
- Physics 1: fundamentals
- Chem 1 (It'll give you a taste and let you see if you want to continue with it, anyway).
- Breadth (dropping ESD1 - lulz)

1st year 2nd sem:
- Engineering Maths
- Physics 2: technology
- Mind, brain & behaviour 2
- ESD2

2nd year 1st sem:
- Eng mech
- Biological psych OR developmental psych
- Engineering Computation (H1)
- Breadth

2nd year 2nd sem:
- Foundations of electrical networks (FoEN)
- Breadth
- Cognitive psych OR personality and social psych
- Breadth

That'll give you the option to choose any two of psych (that accredited thing you're talking about - why aren't you just taking honours, again? :S), electrical eng, mechanical eng and software eng.

Haha AWESOME You seem to be able to work the system well

Just be careful with eng maths. Carnage (the subject coordinator) doesn't think UMEP is enough to do eng maths (which it totally is), so he kicked my mate out of it, even though he'd already got a waiver from the student centre. I, on the other hand, was in exactly the same situation, but I didn't get kicked out. The difference? He went to class, realised he wasn't on the roll and chased it up, so Carnage realised he did UMEP and not calc 2 + lin alg. Meanwhile, I wagged basically every lecture and never went to tutes, so he didn't even know who I was. Moral of the story: don't go to class or you might get kicked out.

Noted.

If you have trouble getting into eng maths at the start of the year (you enrol in both semesters at once) or you want to play it extra safe...replace chem 1 with breadth, eng maths with accel maths 2 and any of the 2nd year breadth subjects with eng maths.

Hmm, you enroll in both semesters as once now? Can you change your second semester subjects mid sem-1?


...I should get a job at the student centre.

You should! i'll even give you a reference