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Simul. Linear equations with more than two variables
« on: January 18, 2011, 08:17:31 pm »
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Hi Guys, can someone please help me with these questions. They are from the Essential book. The chapter is just a revision chapter but I don't seem to get the idea of using the parameter/special symbol instead of a numerical value. Why do we have to do this for sim. equations with more than two variables?

5. The system of equations x+y+z+w=4, x+3y+3z=2, x+y+2z−w=6 has infinitely many solutions.
    Describe this family of solutions and give the unique solution when w = 6.

Also, how do you find the inverse of a 3x3 matrix with unknown variables on the CAS and by hand.

Thanks everyone! :)

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Re: Simul. Linear equations with more than two variables
« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2011, 08:28:24 pm »
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You're not required to do  inverse of 3x3 by hand, so just use the cas and put it to ^1

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Re: Simul. Linear equations with more than two variables
« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2011, 09:00:48 pm »
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i tried on the CAS, but it says invalid list or matrix??
the matrix is:

2, a, -1
3, 4, -(a+1)
10, 8, a-4

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Re: Simul. Linear equations with more than two variables
« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2011, 09:18:22 pm »
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It doesn't work when you put that matrix ^-1?

Edit: Just for you information, I didn't see one question on a practice exam regarding 3x3 matrices. I would say it's not on the study design, but my memory can be faulty.

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Re: Simul. Linear equations with more than two variables
« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2011, 09:21:49 pm »
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It doesn't work when you put that matrix ^-1?

Edit: Just for you information, I didn't see one question on a practice exam regarding 3x3 matrices. I would say it's not on the study design, but my memory can be faulty.

Don't think 3x3 matrices are on the study design, but it's not really that hard to just input a 3x3 matrix into your CAS calc. :P
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Re: Simul. Linear equations with more than two variables
« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2011, 09:31:15 pm »
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Yeah, like everyone has said, 3x3 matrices aren't on the study design, and the 'easiest' way to actually find one is very crude. For the question you posted above, it would be pretty easy to solve the system since x is in all three equations, meaning a simple subtraction of two equations would leave you with only two unknowns to work with. Best way to work with simultaneous equations with more than two variables is to use the elimination method in a step-by-step way, eliminating the number of variables gradually.
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Re: Simul. Linear equations with more than two variables
« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2011, 09:50:56 pm »
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Yeah, like everyone has said, 3x3 matrices aren't on the study design, and the 'easiest' way to actually find one is very crude. For the question you posted above, it would be pretty easy to solve the system since x is in all three equations, meaning a simple subtraction of two equations would leave you with only two unknowns to work with. Best way to work with simultaneous equations with more than two variables is to use the elimination method in a step-by-step way, eliminating the number of variables gradually.

Most definitely. Finding the inverse of 3x3 matrices by hand can be a real bother. Elimination is far more doable.

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« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2011, 09:56:19 pm »
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Let's face it...hardly anybody even knows they are transposing a 2x2 matrix when they find its inverse. Transposing a 3x3...OH BOY...

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Re: Simul. Linear equations with more than two variables
« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2011, 10:11:00 pm »
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Let's face it...hardly anybody even knows they are transposing a 2x2 matrix when they find its inverse. Transposing a 3x3...OH BOY...

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Re: Simul. Linear equations with more than two variables
« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2011, 10:21:18 pm »
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Let's face it...hardly anybody even knows they are transposing a 2x2 matrix when they find its inverse. Transposing a 3x3...OH BOY...

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Re: Simul. Linear equations with more than two variables
« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2011, 10:32:38 pm »
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Hi Guys, can someone please help me with these questions. They are from the Essential book. The chapter is just a revision chapter but I don't seem to get the idea of using the parameter/special symbol instead of a numerical value. Why do we have to do this for sim. equations with more than two variables?

5. The system of equations x+y+z+w=4, x+3y+3z=2, x+y+2z−w=6 has infinitely many solutions.
    Describe this family of solutions and give the unique solution when w = 6.

Also, how do you find the inverse of a 3x3 matrix with unknown variables on the CAS and by hand.

Thanks everyone! :)
there are often some tricks to find the inverse of a 3x3 matrix, eg if the matrix is diagonal, upper/lower triangular etc, but in most cases, if the matrix doesnt fall into one of those categories it's quite annoying to find the inverse.
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Re: Simul. Linear equations with more than two variables
« Reply #11 on: February 07, 2011, 11:26:40 am »
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MAT1065 Semester 1 exam 2009. God that was f*ing painful. Solid 20min of concentration :uglystupid2:; kinda actually miss it.

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Re: Simul. Linear equations with more than two variables
« Reply #12 on: February 07, 2011, 01:41:53 pm »
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Hi Guys, can someone please help me with these questions. They are from the Essential book. The chapter is just a revision chapter but I don't seem to get the idea of using the parameter/special symbol instead of a numerical value. Why do we have to do this for sim. equations with more than two variables?

5. The system of equations x+y+z+w=4, x+3y+3z=2, x+y+2z−w=6 has infinitely many solutions.
    Describe this family of solutions and give the unique solution when w = 6.

Also, how do you find the inverse of a 3x3 matrix with unknown variables on the CAS and by hand.

Thanks everyone! :)

You could put the system of equations like this:



~

So I got (x,y,z,w) = (5 - 1.5t,-3 - 1.5t, 2 + 2t, t) (I may be wrong!!!)

As for find the inverse of a 3x3 matrix. If the det =/= 0 then you can find the characteristic polynomial

e.g.

A =

set |A - λI| = 0

So (1 - λ)3 = 0

So

X3 - 3X2 + 3X - 1 = 0

So

A3 - 3A2 + 3A = I

So

A-1 = 3I - 3A + A2

Otherwise you can use this row reduction method that takes ages!!!!


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Re: Simul. Linear equations with more than two variables
« Reply #13 on: February 07, 2011, 07:23:44 pm »
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so ummm I'm confused. How do we solve the question? :/
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Re: Simul. Linear equations with more than two variables
« Reply #14 on: February 07, 2011, 08:24:16 pm »
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don;t worry about that question, it's way to convoluted to be on an exam