med or not?

[Stroodle]

In terms of undergraduate medicine, I simply think that though many want to do medicine, not many are willing to accept that they are not 'intelligent' and that feel it's hard to do well on the UMAT. It's not hard at all, if you are are 'intelligent' you will be offered a place in medicine due to your high UMAT score. If you are not 'intelligent' like 93% of the people are deemed by Monash, you will find it sooooooo hard, your studying will come to little avail.

What?? Why are there so many people who get low scores one year (eg 70's), but then go on to get in the high 90s the following year? Are they now suddenly intelligent enough to study med after doing 6 months of umat prep?

[burbs]

Stop getting so offended and look at what he is saying. The UMAT is meant to be like an IQ test I think, which is why those naturally intelligent and perceptive can do well without any tuition, VCE however rewards hard work more than natural intelligence in most cases.

[Russ]

It's politically incorrect but there's a grain of truth in what he's saying. The UMAT is testing skills that are particularly hard to develop over a short period of time (ie six months). If you've developed them over a lifetime then you're much better placed to succeed, regardless of preparation. Anecdote - I did the ACER booklets and was just under the monash cutoff. I would have been higher but I had outside factors affecting that. That doesn't necessarily make you intelligent though, there are plenty of other factors that are important

fwiw, I know a 99.95 who I don't consider to be particularly intelligent at all and another 99.95 who I think is a brilliant guy

[Bonifacio]

In terms of undergraduate medicine, I simply think that though many want to do medicine, not many are willing to accept that they are not 'intelligent' and that feel it's hard to do well on the UMAT. It's not hard at all, if you are are 'intelligent' you will be offered a place in medicine due to your high UMAT score. If you are not 'intelligent' like 93% of the people are deemed by Monash, you will find it sooooooo hard, your studying will come to little avail.

What?? Why are there so many people who get low scores one year (eg 70's), but then go on to get in the high 90s the following year? Are they now suddenly intelligent enough to study med after doing 6 months of umat prep?

I have never actually met someone who's done this...

Many people on online forums say this, though I have 10-15 friends who have repeated the UMAT, they all scored similarly apart from one who went down my 15%ile.

[Bonifacio]

It's politically incorrect but there's a grain of truth in what he's saying. The UMAT is testing skills that are particularly hard to develop over a short period of time (ie six months). If you've developed them over a lifetime then you're much better placed to succeed, regardless of preparation. Anecdote - I did the ACER booklets and was just under the monash cutoff. I would have been higher but I had outside factors affecting that. That doesn't necessarily make you intelligent though, there are plenty of other factors that are important

fwiw, I know a 99.95 who I don't consider to be particularly intelligent at all and another 99.95 who I think is a brilliant guy

As Russ just agreed with me, could the two people who gave me bad karma for stating that a 99.95 can be achieved with little intelligence retract their karma change?

I believe that Russ is a senior member of the forum, I think his remarks give some validity to my statements. I don't wish to be viewed as an incredulous poster with low karma levels. I think your karma change was just a knee-jerk reaction and you should have thought out the statement a little better.

[Russ]

I don't think anyone should retract a comment just because I disagree with them.

[werdna]

It's politically incorrect but there's a grain of truth in what he's saying. The UMAT is testing skills that are particularly hard to develop over a short period of time (ie six months). If you've developed them over a lifetime then you're much better placed to succeed, regardless of preparation. Anecdote - I did the ACER booklets and was just under the monash cutoff. I would have been higher but I had outside factors affecting that. That doesn't necessarily make you intelligent though, there are plenty of other factors that are important

fwiw, I know a 99.95 who I don't consider to be particularly intelligent at all and another 99.95 who I think is a brilliant guy

As Russ just agreed with me, could the two people who gave me bad karma for stating that a 99.95 can be achieved with little intelligence retract their karma change?

I believe that Russ is a senior member of the forum, I think his remarks give some validity to my statements.

You should be aware that everyone's opinions and comments are always open to objection on this forum.

Calm down with the karma.. karma can't be added/taken on the same member unless you wait 12 hours.

[Bonifacio]

I don't think anyone should retract a comment just because I disagree with them.

I agree, though in their giving of bad karma they are not venerating my opinions duly.

I apologise Werdna, this is the last I shall comment on the matter, in any topic. I will express my contentions in the form of personal message in future.

[Stroodle]

In terms of undergraduate medicine, I simply think that though many want to do medicine, not many are willing to accept that they are not 'intelligent' and that feel it's hard to do well on the UMAT. It's not hard at all, if you are are 'intelligent' you will be offered a place in medicine due to your high UMAT score. If you are not 'intelligent' like 93% of the people are deemed by Monash, you will find it sooooooo hard, your studying will come to little avail.

What?? Why are there so many people who get low scores one year (eg 70's), but then go on to get in the high 90s the following year? Are they now suddenly intelligent enough to study med after doing 6 months of umat prep?

I have never actually met someone who's done this...

Many people on online forums say this, though I have 10-15 friends who have repeated the UMAT, they all scored similarly apart from one who went down my 15%ile.

I know two people who have done this and are now studying at Monash. One went from 72 to 98..
For many people there are more factors involved than just intelligence when it comes to sitting the UMAT. To say that someone who gets less than 93% is not gonna be able to handle med is pretty ignorant. What about all the country kids that get in with low 80s. They're going to fail right?

[Bonifacio]

In terms of undergraduate medicine, I simply think that though many want to do medicine, not many are willing to accept that they are not 'intelligent' and that feel it's hard to do well on the UMAT. It's not hard at all, if you are are 'intelligent' you will be offered a place in medicine due to your high UMAT score. If you are not 'intelligent' like 93% of the people are deemed by Monash, you will find it sooooooo hard, your studying will come to little avail.

What?? Why are there so many people who get low scores one year (eg 70's), but then go on to get in the high 90s the following year? Are they now suddenly intelligent enough to study med after doing 6 months of umat prep?

I have never actually met someone who's done this...

Many people on online forums say this, though I have 10-15 friends who have repeated the UMAT, they all scored similarly apart from one who went down my 15%ile.

I know two people who have done this and are now studying at Monash. One went from 72 to 98..
For many people there are more factors involved than just intelligence when it comes to sitting the UMAT. To say that someone who gets less than 93% is not gonna be able to handle med is pretty ignorant. What about all the country kids that get in with low 80s. They're going to fail right?

I did not state that they would be inept as doctors, I never stated they wouldn't cope in a medical degree. I was merely talking about the selection process and how hard it is to gain undergraduate admission. I never stated anything explicitly or implicitly about what it takes to be a good doctor. The original discussion was prompted by the remark, ' as it's so hard to get into medicine'.

[Stroodle]

In terms of undergraduate medicine, I simply think that though many want to do medicine, not many are willing to accept that they are not 'intelligent' and that feel it's hard to do well on the UMAT. It's not hard at all, if you are are 'intelligent' you will be offered a place in medicine due to your high UMAT score. If you are not 'intelligent' like 93% of the people are deemed by Monash, you will find it sooooooo hard, your studying will come to little avail.

What?? Why are there so many people who get low scores one year (eg 70's), but then go on to get in the high 90s the following year? Are they now suddenly intelligent enough to study med after doing 6 months of umat prep?

I have never actually met someone who's done this...

Many people on online forums say this, though I have 10-15 friends who have repeated the UMAT, they all scored similarly apart from one who went down my 15%ile.

I know two people who have done this and are now studying at Monash. One went from 72 to 98..
For many people there are more factors involved than just intelligence when it comes to sitting the UMAT. To say that someone who gets less than 93% is not gonna be able to handle med is pretty ignorant. What about all the country kids that get in with low 80s. They're going to fail right?

I did not state that they would be inept as doctors. I was merely talking about the selection process and how hard is what to gain undergraduate admission. I never stated anything explicitly or implicitly about what it takes to be a good doctor.

"If you are not 'intelligent' like 93% of the people are deemed by Monash, you will find it sooooooo hard, your studying will come to little avail."

[Bonifacio]

In terms of undergraduate medicine, I simply think that though many want to do medicine, not many are willing to accept that they are not 'intelligent' and that feel it's hard to do well on the UMAT. It's not hard at all, if you are are 'intelligent' you will be offered a place in medicine due to your high UMAT score. If you are not 'intelligent' like 93% of the people are deemed by Monash, you will find it sooooooo hard, your studying will come to little avail.

What?? Why are there so many people who get low scores one year (eg 70's), but then go on to get in the high 90s the following year? Are they now suddenly intelligent enough to study med after doing 6 months of umat prep?

I have never actually met someone who's done this...

Many people on online forums say this, though I have 10-15 friends who have repeated the UMAT, they all scored similarly apart from one who went down my 15%ile.

I know two people who have done this and are now studying at Monash. One went from 72 to 98..
For many people there are more factors involved than just intelligence when it comes to sitting the UMAT. To say that someone who gets less than 93% is not gonna be able to handle med is pretty ignorant. What about all the country kids that get in with low 80s. They're going to fail right?

I did not state that they would be inept as doctors. I was merely talking about the selection process and how hard is what to gain undergraduate admission. I never stated anything explicitly or implicitly about what it takes to be a good doctor.

"If you are not 'intelligent' like 93% of the people are deemed by Monash, you will find it sooooooo hard, your studying will come to little avail."

We are discussing the topic of gaining admission to medicine, studying will come to little avail upon attempting admission to medicine. Obviously that's why I made the '93%' remark, I was speaking about the UMAT. As I have already explained to you how ATAR wise you can pass the hurdle of 94.95 easily if you apply yourself. The UMAT is the determinant when deciding who receives a place in medicine.

[iNerd]

The UMAT is the determinant when deciding who receives a place in medicine.

I'm pretty sure the UMAT is determinant in deciding whether you get an interview thus the interview is more determinant when deciding who receives a place in medicine (I know of a 99.6, 98%le UMAT - didn't get MBBS)

[Bonifacio]

The UMAT is the determinant when deciding who receives a place in medicine.

I'm pretty sure the UMAT is determinant in deciding whether you get an interview thus the interview is more determinant when deciding who receives a place in medicine (I know of a 99.6, 98%le UMAT - didn't get MBBS)

University of Queensland doesn't use interview. If we are going to discuss the difficulty of admission into medicine, we should discuss the easiest way in possible.

[werdna]

Let's get back to the topic at hand.