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« Reply #600 on: June 04, 2011, 02:44:15 pm »
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Are Th cells need to stimulate Tc? (i'm still a bit confused)  

Is the output of the calvin cycle PGAL or Glucose more accurately?
VCAA seems to say glucose

If bacteria cells such as C. Jejuni invade stomach cells, how does the immune system cope with this? Do the invaded cells display C. Jejuni antigens?

(please respond ASAP , for a SAC i'm currently writing up :) )
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« Reply #601 on: June 04, 2011, 03:07:40 pm »
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Yes Th activate Tc

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Intracellular bacterial infection is targeted by CMI; MHC1 display of degraded peptides and subsequent CTL targeting (+ others)

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« Reply #602 on: June 04, 2011, 03:17:24 pm »
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thanks russ
- lol can anyone else help with plants question :P

Do NK cells act against bacteria ?

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« Reply #603 on: June 04, 2011, 03:49:09 pm »
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dumb question but can donated blood "attack" or agglutinate the recipient's blood? e.g. blood type O is given to a person with blood type A. Since blood type O has antibodies against A and B antigens, could it agglutinate the red blood cells in blood type A with the A antigen?
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« Reply #604 on: June 04, 2011, 03:51:21 pm »
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if there was a previous exposure recently, possibly, if not no as no antibodies present in blood, but basically no under normal circumstances (if blood was given in suffiecient quantites to invoke immune response, this would cause damage to person)
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« Reply #605 on: June 04, 2011, 04:04:40 pm »
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oh yeah that sounds right. Just clarifying, so the donated blood type O will have no antibodies as it has not been exposed to the Blood type A that has red blood cells with the A antigen. But if a lot of type O blood was given, a lot of antibodies against the blood type A would be produced, thus causing damage.

right? :P
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« Reply #606 on: June 04, 2011, 04:17:06 pm »
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okay, just forget what i said, its just confusing.
The short and correct answers is no reaction will occur as there are no specific antibodies present in blood

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« Reply #607 on: June 04, 2011, 04:24:12 pm »
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dumb question but can donated blood "attack" or agglutinate the recipient's blood? e.g. blood type O is given to a person with blood type A. Since blood type O has antibodies against A and B antigens, could it agglutinate the red blood cells in blood type A with the A antigen?

if there was a previous exposure recently, possibly, if not no as no antibodies present in blood, but basically no under normal circumstances (if blood was given in suffiecient quantites to invoke immune response, this would cause damage to person)

Giving a mismatched ABO donation will cause a very serious reaction. It doesn't have to be a "lot" but that depends on what you consider to be a large donation. Getting a blood transfusion of AB blood if you're type O will probably kill you. You do not need to have been exposed to the antigen recently because your serum has constantly circulating antibodies to the sugars (A or B) that you don't have. No need to go into why because it's irrelevant to VCE.

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oh yeah that sounds right. Just clarifying, so the donated blood type O will have no antibodies as it has not been exposed to the Blood type A that has red blood cells with the A antigen. But if a lot of type O blood was given, a lot of antibodies against the blood type A would be produced, thus causing damage.

No, I think you've confused yourself here :P How is transfusing blood without any antigens to a patient going to harm them?

The way it works is basically like this:
Type A = have A antigen (self) and B antibodies
Type B = have B antigen (self) and A antibodies
Type AB = have AB antigens (self) and no antibodies
Type O = have no antigens and AB antibodies

Thus you can put no antigens into anyone. But you can't put AB antigens into someone with A or B or AB antibodies.

Hence Type O is universal donor (can be given to any blood type) and Type AB is universal recipient (can receive any blood type).

ABO system is horribly annoying to get sorted in your head :P
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« Reply #608 on: June 04, 2011, 04:33:48 pm »
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shiz i have got this all wrong !

ok, i'll try an rephrase it. why is blood type O known as the universal donor? Doesn't it have anibodies against A and B blood types? So if blood type O was donated to a person with blood type A, wouldn't the antibodies (A and B) from blood type O agglutinate the blood type A red blood cells as they have the A antigen?
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« Reply #609 on: June 04, 2011, 05:13:19 pm »
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Blood type O contains NO A OR B Antigens. Therefore it can donate to anyone, as NO HUMAN can create antibodies against antigens which do not exist...

I'm not sure what Russ is talking about with respect to already present antigens, but for VCE i'm pretty sure you can just assume there are no antibodies present in the blood as antibodies are produced IN RESPONSE to an infection... and the donor has not been infected with group A or B or AB blood, or else he would probably be dead





hehe i meant like if you injected a tiny bit of blood into lymph node it may trigger a response without killing the person

oh wait what? blood group antigens already present in blood :O



Do NK cells act against bacteria ?



also if anyone knows (not russ )  whether the output of the calvin cycle PGAL or Glucose more accurately?
VCAA seems to say glucose

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« Reply #610 on: June 04, 2011, 05:18:32 pm »
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one go around the calvin cycle gives PGAL - two rounds give glucose
at a VCE level, knowing that ultimately glucose comes out of the calvin cycle would be efficient and obviously vcaa agrees
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« Reply #611 on: June 04, 2011, 05:28:57 pm »
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is all gooood. wiki is god.

from wikipedia:

By way of example: considering the transfusion of O Rh D negative blood (universal donor blood) into a recipient of blood group A Rh D positive, an immune reaction between the recipient's anti-B antibodies and the transfused RBCs is not anticipated. However, the relatively small amount of plasma in the transfused blood contains anti-A antibodies, which could react with the A antigens on the surface of the recipients RBCs, but a significant reaction is unlikely because of the dilution factors. Rh D sensitization is not anticipated.

haha my question must have made noo sense.
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« Reply #612 on: June 04, 2011, 05:36:35 pm »
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ok, i'll try an rephrase it. why is blood type O known as the universal donor?

Has no antigens to stimulate an immune response, regardless of recipient

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Doesn't it have anibodies against A and B blood types? So if blood type O was donated to a person with blood type A, wouldn't the antibodies (A and B) from blood type O agglutinate the blood type A red blood cells as they have the A antigen?

Yes, but these are part of the serum. Blood transfusions aim to remove the serum and give just the RBCs alongside other things (dextrose etc.). Depending on what it will be used for the companies often use different preparation techniques.

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I'm not sure what Russ is talking about with respect to already present antigens, but for VCE i'm pretty sure you can just assume there are no antibodies present in the blood as antibodies are produced IN RESPONSE to an infection... and the donor has not been infected with group A or B or AB blood, or else he would probably be dead

Don't assume that; it's wrong. If you want the explanation, it's because your normal flora that you acquire from your mother during birth have antigens extremely similar to the ABO sugars. Your immune system can produce antibodies to all of them, but is stopped from targeting the ones on your cells by tolerance. Therefore, you have circulating Ab to the antigens prior to "infection" with foreign blood.

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Do NK cells act against bacteria ?

They would have the potential to target intracellular bacteria but they're primarily concerned with anti-viral functions

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haha my question must have made noo sense.

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« Reply #613 on: June 04, 2011, 05:50:10 pm »
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Doesn't it have anibodies against A and B blood types? So if blood type O was donated to a person with blood type A, wouldn't the antibodies (A and B) from blood type O agglutinate the blood type A red blood cells as they have the A antigen?

Yes, but these are part of the serum. Blood transfusions aim to remove the serum and give just the RBCs alongside other things (dextrose etc.). Depending on what it will be used for the companies often use different preparation techniques.


this helped heaps!!! even without understanding my no sense question. thanks :)
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« Reply #614 on: June 04, 2011, 06:30:15 pm »
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Why do many people infected with HIV develop opportunistic infections? And why is it not possible to develop a live , attenuated vaccine for HIV?