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« Reply #30 on: February 03, 2011, 11:49:58 am »
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Stone did you get an interview offer this year for Monash? I would also advice against repeating, the UMAT could once again limit your entry

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« Reply #31 on: February 03, 2011, 11:53:42 am »
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Consider this: Which pathway will make you the best doctor you can be?

Surely this is the path you must take?
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« Reply #32 on: February 03, 2011, 12:01:58 pm »
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I agree with Cameron. I reckon you'll be a more "well-rounded" doctor after going through melb uni's two degrees than monash's one degree, but that's just my own opinion. Could you seriously handle the disappoint of wasting time on the UMAT again if you didn't make it? The UMAT is quite strange so it's a risky option. If anything, can you do first year biomed alongside 1 VCE subject (maybe methods) and then get a higher score at the end of this year while also finishing first year of biomed. So you get the guarantee for med (99.90+) and then don't have to sit the gamsat..
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« Reply #33 on: February 03, 2011, 12:08:56 pm »
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I think that it's more your experience once you finish your degree that will shape you into a "good doctor" than which undergrad degree you do.
If I were you I'd just be considering which path will make it more likely for you to get into medicine.

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« Reply #34 on: February 03, 2011, 01:43:48 pm »
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For a person who didn't do well on the UMAT, what are the chances of doing extremely well on the GAMSAT (considering this person will study very hard throughout the entire Biomed course, hahah)?
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« Reply #35 on: February 03, 2011, 01:49:40 pm »
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Chances are very good if you put in the effort I think. The tests look completely different to me.

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« Reply #36 on: February 03, 2011, 01:51:31 pm »
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The chance of doing well is only slightly related to your UMAT success

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« Reply #37 on: February 03, 2011, 06:40:04 pm »
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Just out of interest, Russ, did you do the GAMSAT in second year and how did you find it?  Are you doing it/repeating it in third year?

I think that the idea of repeating the UMAT depends on how close you got to the threshold the first time - if you were quite a way off, I'd say there really isn't that much point...most of the people I know who've done it twice have received pretty similar scores both times. It's a pretty risky venture, because for every smart kid who passes through Yr 12 each year, you get a whole new cohort the next year.

Personally, I think you'd be better placed to go into an undergraduate degree and work hard on stuff which will be tested in the GAMSAT.  You can re-do the UMAT if you really want and try for places in other states at the end of first-year.  Yes it requires going interstate and it is not a cheap avenue and the emotional cost is taxing, but if you really want to study medicine (I spose it comes down to your motivations for med and how much you're willing to give up for it), I think it needs to be a consideration.

At the end of the day, not everyone who wants to study med can get in through a very direct pathway (biomed/sci --> MD at melb, or undergrad at monash, or even undergrad interstate)...there are ways that anyone could eventually get into a med degree, after spending significant time and money, but I think ending up on that path is generally accidental or requires an almost unquenchable desire to be a physician.  I agree with Russ, in the case that you don't get through the GAMSAT or UMAT, there are a plethora of other health science pathways or other careers that you could well enjoy as much or even more (personally, I think that too many people don't really understand what a medical profession really entails).  At the moment, I'm exploring them myself and finding them all to be fascinating in their own ways (especially research).
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« Reply #38 on: February 03, 2011, 07:13:59 pm »
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I wouldn't necessarily say accidental..

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« Reply #39 on: February 03, 2011, 07:44:39 pm »
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Just out of interest, Russ, did you do the GAMSAT in second year and how did you find it?  Are you doing it/repeating it in third year?

Yeah I did, I did pretty well and got a fairly high score so I decided against repeating it this year. Figured I didn't want to pay $400 for a marginal increase. Didn't find it too bad, didn't run out of time etc. Almost enjoyable in some parts. You sitting it next month?

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« Reply #40 on: February 03, 2011, 09:20:17 pm »
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Considered doing it for the "experience" but then decided against it because I didn't think I was willing to give it a really serious go (as well as pay $400), so it wouldn't really be worthwhile.  Also, I'm happy to stay at Melbourne, and I think my GPA will be healthy enough to get the interview here (I think it would feel a bit excessive to get an interview in two unis by having a GAMSAT where most students get one?)
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« Reply #41 on: February 04, 2011, 12:26:46 am »
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Thank you for all the replies everyone.

For those interested, I did not get any interviews, however I did get offered BMedSc (Provisional MBBS Entry) at Griffith Uni Gold Coast, however have opted against it for a number of reasons which I will not get into here.

I received 73rd%ile UMAT on a day which I think I could not performed any worse. I had a shocker.  I was also sick at the time.  I still don't really like the test, but the lack of content based material does make it somewhat appealing when you compare it to the GAMSAT.  As numerous people are probably aware of, I am not overly fond of Humanities or Essays.

Whichever pathway I go down, I am getting UMAT or GAMSAT tuition.  Judging by the vast improvement tutors had on my English scores, I am hopeful I can replicate this on either of the medical entry tests.  Whilst people say you cannot study for the UMAT, it is not entirely true.  UMAT S1 and S2 are largely reading comprehension + data analysis + problem solving, very similar to GAMSAT S1 in my opinion.  Having spoken to a few people, they say some of the ambiguous UMAT S2 questions require a certain way of thinking, and one that can be learned.  And UMAT S3 is pretty easy to improve on with some self practice.  This was by far my best section, and if feel improving my score even further in this section could be enough to get me over the line.

This is basically what I have come up with.

Resit UMAT and reapply to Monash, and possibly others like UNSW option:

Pro: Could potentially get direct entry into MBBS @ Monash, which would be amazing, or possibly get into another uni.  If I get a straight med offer somewhere this year then the odds are that I would have gone.  With the UNSW sliding scale, I should be able to get an interview with a minor UMAT improvement.

Con: I could lose a year, then enter Biomed in 2012, and possibly lose a scholarship as well.  Whilst this scenario has the initial 'OMG I screwed my life' factor, a Biomed degree on its own will not get me very far. Moreover, although a scholarship is nice, at the end of the day, it is just money.

Try for MD at UniMelb via Biomed option:

Pro:  I get to study at UniMelb with a scholarship.  I can still sit the UMAT and apply for non standard entry to Unis such as UNSW, and can have up to 3 goes at the GAMSAT, or 5 if I take an honours year.  Hopefully I get into the MD.

Con: I could come out of it having to move interstate anyway.  It is a longer pathway, and prevents me from applying to Monash Uni Clayton MBBS again.  This is a big negative, as it them seems I am putting all my eggs in the Melbourne Basket without even really exhausting the undergrad pathway.  Furthermore, simultaneously studying for high GPA plus high GAMSAT will be a lot more emotionally taxing than possibly gaining entry via gap year + UMAT scenario.  My ATAR is good enough for undergrad med.  I don't really just want to throw it out and start again.

To me, it seems getting into med really needs to be a strategy, so I am going to choose the pathway that I believe doesn't limit my options, but also offers some sort of safety net.

With regards to 'what makes a better doctor' I don't want to get into the details, but as shinny and some doctors I have spoken to have stated, a Biomed/MedSc/Sc degree will offer you no advantage in med, and everything you need to know will be taught in the med degree.  By taking the premed degree, you are just fast tracking your learning.

Also, a couple of doctors and people in general have told me this regarding UniMelb vs. Monash Med.  Firstly, prestige should not come into which med school is better, so unless you believe in this, it doesn't make a difference.  As the prestige factor is subjective, it is inevitable that you may be judged on which Uni you went to by some people.  Do remember, all degrees are accredited by the AMC, so there is no such thing as a 'bad' degree.

However, continuing what I have been told, and this is coming from a few people including one who studied med at UniMelb, apparently the Monash Med course is superior because it has a more of a problem based learning focus, and is considered to be a lot more up to speed than the Melbourne course.  Whether the new MD course will attempt to address this I don't know.  But if I were going to argue where the better 'medical graduates' come from, I would say Monash, just.

To be honest, I don't think it really matters, and I am happy to get in anywhere, and real doctors are made after countless hours of specialist college training and then years medical practice.  To base whether or not one is a good doctor entirely on what uni they went to is absurd.

Anyway, thank you for the insights so far, feel free to keep them coming.

Regarding my decision, I am still trying to get more info and decide on whether I should sit the UMAT again, or move on to the GAMSAT.
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« Reply #42 on: February 04, 2011, 11:02:56 am »
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Why only 3 goes at the gamsat?

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« Reply #43 on: February 04, 2011, 01:52:55 pm »
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If I only did Calc 1 and then attempted to study for the GAMSAT would I die?
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« Reply #44 on: February 04, 2011, 02:28:53 pm »
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Nothing you learn in Calc1 is really relevant to section3 of the GAMSAT.

And as for taking a gap year, only do it if you have something else planned for the year other than "resit umat"