Guaranteed Entry

[stonecold]

Okay, so I know this is massively dodgy, but if start biomed this year, and concurrently do a VCE subject, and get my ATAR to 99.9. would this still count as part of the guaranteed entry policy?

I have called and emailed them for the policy numerous times, and still have not received it.  Reading from the document and FAQ's that they have on their site, I can seem to find anything that specifically disallows this, but at the same time I doubt they would be stupid enough to leave themselves open to the gaping hole.

Thoughts?

And btw, yes I am gonna do Biomed regardless this year to anyone who was interested in the little soap opera I had going on.  :p

And another thought I just has was, because my ATAR is so close to 99.9, if I apply for an FFP, and for whatever reason they want to reserve them for international students or those with lower 99 ATARs or something, maybe they will bump me up to a CSP?

Still gonna sit the GAMSAT regardless, but just trying to stratergise a little haha.

[huaxiadragon]

Frankly, I don't think the VCE again thing will work.

But I 99% believe you'll get into DoM if that's what you wanted. You seem soooooo close to the guaranteed entry mark and there's no way in hell that they'll kick you out. Now to worry man

[stonecold]

haha, thanks.  yeah, i don't think it will work.  i believe you need to apply through vtac to get an ATAR right?

[iNerd]

Frankly, I don't think the VCE again thing will work.

But I 99% believe you'll get into DoM if that's what you wanted. You seem soooooo close to the guaranteed entry mark and there's no way in hell that they'll kick you out. Now to worry man

DoM! That sounds so much sicker than MD

[huaxiadragon]

haha, thanks.  yeah, i don't think it will work.  i believe you need to apply through vtac to get an ATAR right?

Not exactly sure, but I thought they automatically give you an atar if your subjects meet their requirments. So if you do another VCE subject this year, you should get a new ATAR???

[huaxiadragon]

Frankly, I don't think the VCE again thing will work.

But I 99% believe you'll get into DoM if that's what you wanted. You seem soooooo close to the guaranteed entry mark and there's no way in hell that they'll kick you out. Now to worry man

DoM! That sounds so much sicker than MD

Even better with the Doctor of Physiology (Dop) and Doctor of Optometry (Doo)
Even though the course seem to get worse and longer, they sure know how to come up with better names xD

[Russ]

I doubt they would be stupid enough to leave themselves open to the gaping hole.

How is it a gaping hole? I see no reason why they wouldn't let you do this, but I honestly don't know why you would want to do a VCE subject concurrently with uni. The exam periods overlap and if you get exams at the same time then you'll have to miss one of them (eg 1st year bio was at the same time as VCE bio).

My opinion - bad idea/not worth it

And another thought I just has was, because my ATAR is so close to 99.9, if I apply for an FFP, and for whatever reason they want to reserve them for international students or those with lower 99 ATARs or something, maybe they will bump me up to a CSP?

Not under the guarantee, but you're free to apply for it through the normal pathway. If you don't have a 99.9 you're not getting a CSP spot without a GAMSAT/GPA/Interview combo.

[iNerd]

What subject are you thinking of doing anyway?

I assume you need a 40 RAW..?

Do Psych

[vexx]

just go to biomed, you'll get in to med eventually :\ who care about vce anymore

What subject are you thinking of doing anyway?

I assume you need a 40 RAW..?

Do Psych

he'd need about a 45 or so after scaling for the boost to 99.9 (if he did methods)

[rustic_metal]

I sincerely doubt a policy for that would even exist. You won't get in on a technicality, since somebody will have to look at your situation and decide 'is it the same situation as the one for the guarantee?' If they print out your transcript and see you've gone back to do another subject just to push yourself over the line, they'll just say 'this isn't why we offered the guarantee. We offered it for people who earned it the first time around.' Then you'll have wasted your time doing a vce subject for no real reason.

Just study at uni, lol.

[Massofbubbles]

Imo if the uni doesn't give you a definitive answer as to whether you can do it or not, don't risk it. Better just to put all your effort into biomed. You obviously have the brains and the motivation to get in, and you have over 2 years to build up your essay skills for the gamsat.

Edit: Oh, and I think MD sounds way better than DoM.

Edit2: In regards to exams overlapping, last year my friend was studying music at UoM at the same time as doing a couple of VCE subjects, and UoM let her sit supplementary exams to avoid a clash.

[stonecold]

I doubt they would be stupid enough to leave themselves open to the gaping hole.

How is it a gaping hole? I see no reason why they wouldn't let you do this, but I honestly don't know why you would want to do a VCE subject concurrently with uni. The exam periods overlap and if you get exams at the same time then you'll have to miss one of them (eg 1st year bio was at the same time as VCE bio).

My opinion - bad idea/not worth it

And another thought I just has was, because my ATAR is so close to 99.9, if I apply for an FFP, and for whatever reason they want to reserve them for international students or those with lower 99 ATARs or something, maybe they will bump me up to a CSP?

Not under the guarantee, but you're free to apply for it through the normal pathway. If you don't have a 99.9 you're not getting a CSP spot without a GAMSAT/GPA/Interview combo.

I dunno.  I reckon another VCE subject is easier than the GAMSAT.  I'd be repeating Methods if I did it, so I know most of the stuff.  But don't you think more people would try and do this to try and get in if it were allowed?

And at the moment, the website says the guarantee is "Available to students who complete their final year of schooling in Australia up until 2012 unless otherwise specified."  I spoke to 13MELB a while ago and the girl told me I would be considered for the guarantee if I took a year off and repeated.  I will try to gtet a definitive answer about what I am looking at doing in writing.

And yeah, I know there is no guaranteed entry without 99.9.

But what I am saying is say I am very close with GPA/GAMSAT/MMI to a CSP, then they are forced to give me an FFP because of 99+, so they may just upgrade me to a CSP anyway.  Are FFPs shared between us and international students?
If so, I get the feeling that they may want to reserve as many of them for internationals as possible.

[fady_22]

I doubt they would be stupid enough to leave themselves open to the gaping hole.

How is it a gaping hole? I see no reason why they wouldn't let you do this, but I honestly don't know why you would want to do a VCE subject concurrently with uni. The exam periods overlap and if you get exams at the same time then you'll have to miss one of them (eg 1st year bio was at the same time as VCE bio).

My opinion - bad idea/not worth it

And another thought I just has was, because my ATAR is so close to 99.9, if I apply for an FFP, and for whatever reason they want to reserve them for international students or those with lower 99 ATARs or something, maybe they will bump me up to a CSP?

Not under the guarantee, but you're free to apply for it through the normal pathway. If you don't have a 99.9 you're not getting a CSP spot without a GAMSAT/GPA/Interview combo.

And yeah, I know there is no guaranteed entry without 99.9.

But what I am saying is say I am very close with GPA/GAMSAT/MMI to a CSP, then they are forced to give me an FFP because of 99+, so they may just upgrade me to a CSP anyway.  Are FFPs shared between us and international students?
If so, I get the feeling that they may want to reserve as many of them for internationals as possible.

So what you are trying to say is that they might take into consideration your ATAR when considering you for a CSP place (which would be applied for through the normal route), right?

[stonecold]

So what you are trying to say is that they might take into consideration your ATAR when considering you for a CSP place (which would be applied for through the normal route), right?

Sort of.  Assume we get 75%+ weighted average and 'pass' the interview, whatever that means.  They are virtually forced into giving us FFPs, because our ATARs are quite high.  People with lower 99 ATARs may be in trouble, because FFPs are 'subject to availability.'

Then, say with the GPA/GAMSAT/MMI route, we just miss out on CSP entry.  They still  have to give us an FFP though.  So they may just bump us up to a CSP to reserve these FFP spots for international students or something...

[fady_22]

So what you are trying to say is that they might take into consideration your ATAR when considering you for a CSP place (which would be applied for through the normal route), right?

Sort of.  Assume we get 75%+ weighted average and 'pass' the interview, whatever that means.  They are virtually forced into giving us FFPs, because our ATARs are quite high.  People with lower 99 ATARs may be in trouble, because FFPs are 'subject to availability.'

Then, say with the GPA/GAMSAT/MMI route, we just miss out on CSP entry.  They still  have to give us an FFP though.  So they may just bump us up to a CSP to reserve these FFP spots for international students or something...

You might have a point there; internationals do pay more for fees.

I completely understand how you feel. It really feels like I'm wasting my ATAR in Biomed. But what can you do?

What do you think will take precedence, GPA or ATAR? As in, would they give the "guarantee" to someone with a higher ATAR or GPA?
I seriously hate how unorganised the whole system is. Let's hope the MD is a little more organised.