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Re: Unit 3 Questions MEGATHREAD :)
« Reply #345 on: June 11, 2011, 09:11:44 pm »
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In atomic Absorption Spectroscopy (AAS) the analysis is based on the

A) Absorption by the analyte of visible light only.
B) Absorption by the analyte of visible and UV light
C) Absorption of the emissions by the analyte in the instrument
D) Absorption of the atoms of the analyte by the standard solution.




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Re: Unit 3 Questions MEGATHREAD :)
« Reply #346 on: June 11, 2011, 09:28:08 pm »
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besides oxidation what are other reactions that require a H+ on the arrow?

also how would you write out the semi-structural formula for aspirin especially with the branching?
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Re: Unit 3 Questions MEGATHREAD :)
« Reply #347 on: June 11, 2011, 10:03:11 pm »
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TSFX..

In atomic Absorption Spectroscopy (AAS) the analysis is based on the

A) Absorption by the analyte of visible light only.
B) Absorption by the analyte of visible and UV light
C) Absorption of the emissions by the analyte in the instrument
D) Absorption of the atoms of the analyte by the standard solution.




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B is correct. AAS can use the UV and visible spectra to measure absorption. In these spectra, electrons absorb light and move to higher energy states
D - we're not measuring how many atoms are absorbed, we're measuring light.
C - It's not AES - we measure absorbance because this is proportional to conc.
A - AAS can do UV as well as visible. depends entirely on the metal and wavelength we choose
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Re: Unit 3 Questions MEGATHREAD :)
« Reply #348 on: June 12, 2011, 12:45:58 am »
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I believe the answer is C.

In AAS, the analyte emission spectra (from hollow cathode lamp) is shown at the analyte, which absorbs the radiation. Thus we are measuring the absorption of the emission spectra. This emission spectra is not emitted by the analyte in sample, but it is emitted by standardized analyte in the cathode lamp.

One thing to stress is that AAS is know for discrete emission lines. I think it is incomplete to say it measures absorption of visible and UV light, which can mean a continuous spectrum is being generated at the source.

In AES, we are not measuring absorption, we are measuring the amount of emission.
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Re: Unit 3 Questions MEGATHREAD :)
« Reply #349 on: June 12, 2011, 12:53:17 am »
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I believe the answer is C.

In AAS, the analyte emission spectra (from hollow cathode lamp) is shown at the analyte, which absorbs the radiation. Thus we are measuring the absorption of the emission spectra. This emission spectra is not emitted by the analyte in sample, but it is emitted by standardized analyte in the cathode lamp.

One thing to stress is that AAS is know for discrete emission lines. I think it is incomplete to say it is absorption of visible and UV light, which can mean a continuous spectrum is being generated at the source.

In AES, we are not measuring absorption, we are measuring the amount of emission.
I think that disagrees with the definition of analyte though. Analyte is specifically the thing you are measuring - in this case the concentration of. I agree that neither B nor A is a perfect answer either, because, as you say, you are measuring discrete wavelengths, probably only one, in which case UV and visible light are not both used, so UV or visible light is probably a better way of saying it. I still think to talk about the "emissions of the analyte" specifically means what is sitting in the atomiser, not what is in the HCL. That's my opinion.
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Re: Unit 3 Questions MEGATHREAD :)
« Reply #350 on: June 12, 2011, 01:19:37 am »
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I believe the answer is C.

In AAS, the analyte emission spectra (from hollow cathode lamp) is shown at the analyte, which absorbs the radiation. Thus we are measuring the absorption of the emission spectra. This emission spectra is not emitted by the analyte in sample, but it is emitted by standardized analyte in the cathode lamp.

One thing to stress is that AAS is know for discrete emission lines. I think it is incomplete to say it is absorption of visible and UV light, which can mean a continuous spectrum is being generated at the source.

In AES, we are not measuring absorption, we are measuring the amount of emission.
I think that disagrees with the definition of analyte though. Analyte is specifically the thing you are measuring - in this case the concentration of. I agree that neither B nor A is a perfect answer either, because, as you say, you are measuring discrete wavelengths, probably only one, in which case UV and visible light are not both used, so UV or visible light is probably a better way of saying it. I still think to talk about the "emissions of the analyte" specifically means what is sitting in the atomiser, not what is in the HCL. That's my opinion.

I am not convinced by that argument, but I will agree that the options are ambiguously worded. If we take the interpretation that analyte refers to atoms in the atomiser, option C wouldn't make any physical sense. Absorption of emission would imply a decrement in emission by analyte in the atomiser, but such thing cannot be measured since initial emission intensity cannot be measured, thus absorbance cannot be calculated. In my opinion, it is a poor use of the word 'analyte'. If we assume used the word 'analyte' as a loose term (i.e. 'analyte in the instrument' = HCL, where analyte = metal of interest), it is exactly the principle of AAS. Another thing to consider is that the analyte depends on which HCL you use, so their loose use of 'analyte' may be justifiable.

I'm just a bit caught up on metal atoms absorbing visible and UV light. I still believe the most important thing we learn about AAS is that discrete spectra are emitted and absorbed, giving rise to its selectivity and sensitivity. The emission range is less important, and a question should not be testing this aspect.

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Re: Unit 3 Questions MEGATHREAD :)
« Reply #351 on: June 12, 2011, 10:17:57 am »
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In relation to that engage education question, it makes more sense if you replace 'reactant' with 'reductant'

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Re: Unit 3 Questions MEGATHREAD :)
« Reply #352 on: June 12, 2011, 10:31:25 am »
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I'm going with scocliffe09 here, given that we generally consider the analyte to be the stuff of interest, the sample whose absorbance is being measured. The "emissions" come from an identical sample of the metal from the HCL, but IMO that can be considered as part of the instrument, and not part of the analyte.

Well, that's what I think anyway.
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Re: Unit 3 Questions MEGATHREAD :)
« Reply #353 on: June 12, 2011, 10:37:25 am »
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@Mao, The SOlution was B ):.
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« Reply #354 on: June 12, 2011, 11:57:34 am »
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Was just wondering, in TLC, why would temperature change the Rf value of a compound? I would have thought that it changes the rate of movement of components, but would also change the rate of movemenr of the solvent to the same proportion?

<This is not talking about GC or HPLC with Rt>
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Re: Unit 3 Questions MEGATHREAD :)
« Reply #355 on: June 12, 2011, 11:59:04 am »
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As far as I know, and from what I've seen in practice papers, the Rf will always stay the same no matter what the conditions - unless you change the mobile/stationary phase.
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« Reply #356 on: June 12, 2011, 12:10:15 pm »
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In semi-structural formula, are you required to show the double bonds? ie CH2=CH2 or can you just write CH2CH2?

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« Reply #357 on: June 12, 2011, 12:16:25 pm »
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As far as I know, and from what I've seen in practice papers, the Rf will always stay the same no matter what the conditions - unless you change the mobile/stationary phase.

That's what I thought, but QAT 2011 and http://orgchem.colorado.edu/hndbksupport/TLC/TLCrf.html says otherwise...
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« Reply #358 on: June 12, 2011, 12:21:10 pm »
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As far as I know, and from what I've seen in practice papers, the Rf will always stay the same no matter what the conditions - unless you change the mobile/stationary phase.

That's what I thought, but QAT 2011 and http://orgchem.colorado.edu/hndbksupport/TLC/TLCrf.html says otherwise...
Hmmmm, I'm sure VCAA had a question that had "which factors won't increase Rf" questions, and I'm quite sure it had temp that won't change it...
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« Reply #359 on: June 12, 2011, 12:26:25 pm »
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Really? If you could find that paper you'd be a legend.
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