How did/do you 'play the system'?

[iNerd]

You want to do med right? you'll be thankful you did bio

Maybe, thats IF I get in (unlikely, seeing as how lazy my UMAT prep has got )

Better than me, i'm doing almost NO UMAT prep. Then again, if I pass UMAT, then okay. If I don't, well, perhaps I shouldn't be a doctor in the first place.

I disagree with that assessment - the UMAT is not an indicator of your ability to be a doctor.

[thushan]

You reckon?

[iNerd]

You reckon?

Personal opinion substantiated by the fact that Qld has totally eradicated it and the fact that other unis take in Med students who all successfully become graduates with a <93 UMAT percentile.

It's just a test to screen the thousands of people and leave you with a number you can deal with it.

[Greatness]

You reckon?

Personal opinion substantiated by the fact that Qld has totally eradicated it and the fact that other unis take in Med students who all successfully become graduates with a <93 UMAT percentile.

It's just a test to screen the thousands of people and leave you with a number you can deal with it.

You still need it to get into UoQ dont you?...

[taiga]

Definitely agreeing with ATAR there, it's just cutting down students to a number that they can handle.

[iNerd]

You reckon?

Personal opinion substantiated by the fact that Qld has totally eradicated it and the fact that other unis take in Med students who all successfully become graduates with a <93 UMAT percentile.

It's just a test to screen the thousands of people and leave you with a number you can deal with it.

You still need it to get into UoQ dont you?...

Unsure - I read some article in OGD that Qld was scrapping it...

[thushan]

Not at Monash. UMAT is almost a hurdle requirement. If your UMAT score is below the cutoff (93 percentile last year I think) the chance of you getting to Monash med is zero, because you won't be invited to an interview. Unless you get a perfect score.

Damn Monash...and damn ACER.

[iNerd]

Not at Monash. UMAT is almost a hurdle requirement. If your UMAT score is below the cutoff (93 percentile last year I think) the chance of you getting to Monash med is zero, because you won't be invited to an interview. Unless you get a perfect score.

Damn Monash...and damn ACER.

I don't get you.

It's like you're asking me to tell you that you'll get 99.95, you don't need to focus on the UMAT and you'll be fine...

[Greatness]

You reckon?

Personal opinion substantiated by the fact that Qld has totally eradicated it and the fact that other unis take in Med students who all successfully become graduates with a <93 UMAT percentile.

It's just a test to screen the thousands of people and leave you with a number you can deal with it.

You still need it to get into UoQ dont you?...

Unsure - I read some article in OGD that Qld was scrapping it...

Oh right that. I dont think they'll be implementing that for a while...
Anyway Thushan you will do fine

If there wasnt an external exam like the UMAT then most students who get into monash mbbs will be the 99+... I dont think that's a good idea, because it will contain students who have gotten that high score but because their atar allows them to enter med, they will and they probably wont have the passion to do it. Whereas the UMAT allows those who are willing to put in the hard yards to get into med.
I know that you can look at the other side of the coin and say there are 99+s whose dreams are to get into med, but their UMAT is less than the required, hence, they are rejected. But if it is truly their desire to get into med then they will find another alternative and they will succeed in doing so.

[happycat]

And there are those who pull 95+ without doing shit all

Too bad I'm not that type

[thushan]

Not at Monash. UMAT is almost a hurdle requirement. If your UMAT score is below the cutoff (93 percentile last year I think) the chance of you getting to Monash med is zero, because you won't be invited to an interview. Unless you get a perfect score.

Damn Monash...and damn ACER.

I don't get you.

It's like you're asking me to tell you that you'll get 99.95, you don't need to focus on the UMAT and you'll be fine...

Oh ATAR i think you took me the wrong way here.

I was just frustrated that Monash's method is too heavily focused on the UMAT, that's all. Like if someone does brilliantly on ATAR (we'll say 99.50) and would have done brilliantly on the interview, but has zero chance of getting to med because he/she got say 92nd percentile on UMAT.

[thushan]

@ Swarley:

UMAT is fine (although I'm a little sceptical of Section 3). Only issue (as I explained in the previous post) is that effectively UMAT determines whether you have a chance of making Med or not for Monash.

[Greatness]

@ Swarley:

UMAT is fine (although I'm a little sceptical of Section 3). Only issue (as I explained in the previous post) is that effectively UMAT determines whether you have a chance of making Med or not for Monash.

I can see where you're coming from, but like i said earlier, if this individual's dream is to get into med then they will find a way. Altho it may be a few years longer, if it is their desire then they will get there.

[nacho]

Not at Monash. UMAT is almost a hurdle requirement. If your UMAT score is below the cutoff (93 percentile last year I think) the chance of you getting to Monash med is zero, because you won't be invited to an interview. Unless you get a perfect score.

Damn Monash...and damn ACER.

are you sure? The interviews are held before people receive their ATAR, so is there like a round 2 for interviews or something?
UMAT is practically an IQ test (with an emotional assessment too).. so maybe the med students have to study immensely convoluted information etc. Who knows though.. Graduate med is more popular than undergrad worldwide, so i too would assume that the umat is there to create a 2nd set of rankings so that they can handle the # of students applying.

[jane1234]

Not at Monash. UMAT is almost a hurdle requirement. If your UMAT score is below the cutoff (93 percentile last year I think) the chance of you getting to Monash med is zero, because you won't be invited to an interview. Unless you get a perfect score.

Damn Monash...and damn ACER.

are you sure? The interviews are held before people receive their ATAR, so is there like a round 2 for interviews or something?
UMAT is practically an IQ test (with an emotional assessment too).. so maybe the med students have to study immensely convoluted information etc. Who knows though.. Graduate med is more popular than undergrad worldwide, so i too would assume that the umat is there to create a 2nd set of rankings so that they can handle the # of students applying.

Same. I thought it didn't matter if you got a perfect ATAR... if you didn't have the UMAT score, then you couldn't get in.