Doctor dream at a nightmare $230,000

[Zien]

^But then you'll have to account for accommodation costs, transportation etc. It just opens a new can of worms, so to speak.

[Tobias Funke]

Hmm, anyone know how this reflects with a JD at Melbourne? I know it's only two years, but I dunno how much a full fee is in the first place

[rustic_metal]

It's best just to assume that the number of CSP places is the total number of available places. If you're stuck between CSP and FFP, then you should look at other similar options you'll be able to get into for much less.

[simpak]

Hmm, anyone know how this reflects with a JD at Melbourne? I know it's only two years, but I dunno how much a full fee is in the first place

It's 80 000 p/y last time I checked.

EDIT: maybe I am wrong and that was for the whole course.

[happyhappyland]

^But then you'll have to account for accommodation costs, transportation etc. It just opens a new can of worms, so to speak.

I was going to go JCU and calculated the total living expenses to be around 25k-30k a year with 18k being living expenses (no transportation since I was gonna live on campus). 18k a year is much less than what melb full fee place is.

But in terms of stress and getting used to a new place, its always more comforting to live in your home town with family

[slothpomba]

You know what does my head in though, if she had decent enough marks for a full fee place surely she could of got into deakin (geelong is only an hours drive from melbourne so you could drive up and back each day if you wanted to without moving out... its also about an hour for me in the west).

I understand people disliking monash graduate medicine though(distance wise)... since it is in the middle of nowhere like 3 hours one way from melbourne.

I'm wondering if she didn't get into these places or she just didn't apply? (theres something in the back of my head telling me you can only apply for one graduate place per state or something... don't know where i got that from..)

Hmm, anyone know how this reflects with a JD at Melbourne? I know it's only two years, but I dunno how much a full fee is in the first place

There was actually an article (awhile ago, forget the paper) about a chick being charged shitloads for her juris doctor. Similar to this article actually...

[shinny]

(theres something in the back of my head telling me you can only apply for one graduate place per state or something... don't know where i got that from..)

That. It's true. Graduate unis are too lazy to play around with multi-round offers. It's not even per state as far as I'm aware - it's just choosing one university nationwide to do your interview at. My brother had to just settle on taking one interview (well he actually ended up choosing UQ which doesn't need an interview), and if he happened to screw that up, he wouldn't be able to get an interview anywhere else and would have to wait another year and try again. Sucks eh?

[slothpomba]

Yeah all this stuff lately has really made think long and hard about grad med... but thats for another thread..

IDK if i was her id think a better strategy to take would be to apply for deakin or monash because i assume they require lower entry scores...considering all the programs are pretty much the same too.

In other news i found that Article i was talking about.

[appianway]

Do you guys think you can justify that sum of money on education when there are alternatives available (ie. different medical schools)? For anyone who cares, Harvard's 62k per year without financial aid for an undergraduate degree, and Princeton and Yale come in at about 55. Many Americans jump at the chance to pay... but is it really worth it?

I guess what I'm trying to ask is how can we find an acceptable price for education?

[slothpomba]

Do you guys think you can justify that sum of money on education when there are alternatives available (ie. different medical schools)?

Do you mean she should of tried monash/deakin instead of melbourne? otherwise im totally confused.

You only get one application, i guess its up to the individual where they want to "spend" that application.

You could aim high for melbourne and hope you'd get in but ironically if everyone does this it pushes up the score or you could take a more resigned look at things and just send it in for deakin/monash but then i guess you would always wonder if you could of got into melbourne (At least i would, i'm that kind of guy).

As for the other thing, i think it's more on a relative basis we weigh it up mentally. If most people in Australia are paying 4-10k on uni degrees a year and you have to pay ~$60K a year of course on a relative basis that is going to seem pretty damn horrible but i mean if everyone was paying 60k it would still be a huge amount but it's not like everyone else isn't paying that (if anyone out there understands my rambling at all...).

I guess its worth what you're willing to pay or i guess you could weigh up the pro's and cons or do an economics type [b]Oppertunity Cost(Click - Its interesting)[/b] type thing.

Wiki also uses that idea to present one of the arguments against Phd's .

[Russ]

From this application cycle (2012 entry) the system is changing. Every university except USyd (long, long story, they're being very sneaky and clever) will be allowing standardized interview results to be shared. So if you interview at UoM and don't get a place your result is passed to your second preference

Do you guys think you can justify that sum of money on education when there are alternatives available (ie. different medical schools)?

If the consumer is willing to pay it then it's justifiable. Whether it's ethical is a separate matter but I don't think it's unethical.

[slothpomba]

From this application cycle (2012 entry) the system is changing. Every university except USyd (long, long story, they're being very sneaky and clever) will be allowing standardized interview results to be shared. So if you interview at UoM and don't get a place your result is passed to your second preference

So, does that mean deakin/monash/melbourne/et al will all have exactly the same interview?

How do you feel about that system russ, just out of interest.

I reckon it is better than only one application per year, pretty much anything is leaps and bounds better than that but if they have different kinds onf interviews or one uni has "easier" interviewers somehow i can see how it could screw people up.

[Zien]

Take a look at Bond University up in Queensland. Every student that goes there pays full-fee (unless they have a scholarship, none of which is applicable for MBBS as far as I'm aware). The students, or perhaps with their parents direct involvement, chose to go there, perhaps out of desperation if they didn't get into other universities for undergrad medicine.

What Bond charges can be whatever they want; it's not unethical seeing as there are many other alternate pathways to medicine. If they charge too high then students won't go there. If they charge too low, they can't fund themselves. At least that's what I think. I could very well be wrong. :p

[slothpomba]

I don't know how many people "choose" to go to bond haha considering the insane prices.

Even if you are desperate, with the astronomically high prices they're probably kids with rich parents..

[taiga]

Bond offers scholarships like candy, and whilst I don't like stereotyping, most of the people I know that go there are rich kids.