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Re: Bozo's queries
« Reply #60 on: September 28, 2011, 10:59:47 am »
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The diagram is right for both. Current is going in the opposite direction though. You can use the grip rule, but it's much easier to determine which pole is south and north (south - clockwise, north - anticlockwise). Then you know that field goes from south to north inside the magent and north to south outside.
The heineman diagram actually shows the "S" and "N" with the cool arrows which tell you if its clockwise or anticlockwise.

thanks for that clarification.

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Re: Bozo's queries
« Reply #61 on: September 28, 2011, 02:21:55 pm »
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wait I'm confused, how would you do the question then? :S

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Re: Bozo's queries
« Reply #62 on: September 28, 2011, 02:31:47 pm »
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wait I'm confused, how would you do the question then? :S
If you want to do it the method that cranberry described:
Picture it the solenoid side on.
e.g. The X side, the coil starts to coil in clockwise. Therefore that is the South pole on the outside. Therefore, from the Z side is the north pole on the outside.
On the inside it would be opposite:
X is the north pole. Z is the south pole.

The direction of the field is described to be from the North pole to South pole. So the field goes X to Z, or in other words leftwards.
This is the Z arrow. 

Personally, I find the right hand grip rule to be easier. You should get the same answer using both methods of working out.

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Re: Bozo's queries
« Reply #63 on: September 28, 2011, 02:34:12 pm »
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ahh okay
how come the right hand rule doesnt work for the heinemann diagram?

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Re: Bozo's queries
« Reply #64 on: September 28, 2011, 03:09:50 pm »
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ahh okay
how come the right hand rule doesnt work for the heinemann diagram?
I just tried it with right hand rule. It does work. I think when I tried it earlier, I forgot that inside the solenoid: South to North and outside the solenoid: North to South. This makes sense if you look at the field lines.

I assumed that it would be north to south, which is what gave me the incorrect answer. But that assumption is what I made when trying that Lisachem question using the "pole method". Unless I determined the poles incorrectly. My mistake may have been in what I initially determined (X is clockwise, therefore south) and how I assumed that would be the outside pole.

I have no idea what I meant by outside or inside pole.

Let me restate it:
X is the south pole. Therefore Z is the north pole.
We are looking for the direction of the field inside. The direction inside will be south to north.
Therefore X to Z.

That makes sense now (I think).

So it seems by using the right hand rule, you figure out the middle field line i.e. the inside field. I looked over any questions I did similar to this one, and that seems to be what I've done - I just never thought about it in this way explicitly. That's where I was going wrong with the Heinemann diagram (assuming that what I've said in this post is all correct), thinking about this stuff in the wrong way (but coincidentally ending up with the correct answers when doing questions).
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Re: Bozo's queries
« Reply #65 on: September 28, 2011, 08:46:24 pm »
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How many prac exams you guys done?

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Re: Bozo's queries
« Reply #66 on: September 28, 2011, 10:44:15 pm »
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How many prac exams you guys done?
A grand total of two so far.

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Re: Bozo's queries
« Reply #67 on: September 28, 2011, 11:12:05 pm »
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Glad i'm not alone lol.

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Re: Bozo's queries
« Reply #68 on: September 28, 2011, 11:13:46 pm »
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Do you guys actually use the text book?

I've probably opened my heinemann text book, once this year.

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Re: Bozo's queries
« Reply #69 on: September 28, 2011, 11:18:21 pm »
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Do you guys actually use the text book?

I've probably opened my heinemann text book, once this year.
Yeah, I've used the textbooks pretty heavily this year. 

My teacher set the Heinemann exercises as a work requirement, so I had to do them to pass.
I've read over the Heinemann and Nelson book a fair bit.
I finished the questions from Nelson a while back as well. 

Now that I'm finished with that, I really only read over iTute summaries, Wikipedia, Feynman (most of it is irrelevant and beyond the course, but it's damn interesting reading and well explained) and the Nelson textbook.

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« Reply #70 on: September 28, 2011, 11:19:50 pm »
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I've basically been living off the A+ notes the whole year. As for work requirements, we get set the checkpoint chapters. So all that needs to be completed.

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Re: Bozo's queries
« Reply #71 on: September 28, 2011, 11:22:10 pm »
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I've basically been living off the A+ notes the whole year. As for work requirements, we get set the checkpoint chapters. So all that needs to be completed.
I borrowed the checkpoints book from the school library earlier this term. I did some of them, but I hated it. The questions are so dull, repetitive and boring.

I've never seen the A+ notes, but they must be good if they're detailed enough for you to learn the course off them.

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Re: Bozo's queries
« Reply #72 on: October 01, 2011, 01:05:55 pm »
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how would I do q17? :S

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Re: Bozo's queries
« Reply #73 on: October 01, 2011, 07:48:08 pm »
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Is the answer to 16) 1.965*10^-5 V. And is the answer to q17 anti clockwise?

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« Reply #74 on: October 01, 2011, 07:52:20 pm »
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nah
16) 3.9 × 10^–5 V
17) Anti-clockwise