Postgraduate spots held for Year 12s at University of Melbourne

[stonecold]

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/higher-education/postgraduate-spots-held-for-year-12s-at-university-of-melbourne/story-e6frgcjx-1226088334478

If this is true then fuck you Melbourne.  I will seriously cry if they lower the MD guaranteed entry cutoff and it only counts for this years students and beyond.

I seem to have no luck with this stuff at all. :/

[werdna]

That's interesting.. decreasing the guaranteed graduate score from 99 to 96 sounds out of whack :/

[luken93]

So what does this mean for you guys?

[Dominator]

That's interesting.. decreasing the guaranteed graduate score from 99 to 96 sounds out of whack :/

"The changes, agreed by a tense academic board meeting last week, give students entering undergraduate study with Australian Tertiary Admission Ranks of 96 and above greater certainty of securing government-funded postgraduate places than those with lower ATARs who may perform just as well or perhaps even better in their undergraduate studies."

I suppose that a student who achieves an ATAR of 96+ would still require decent results in Uni in order to be guaranteed a postgraduate place.

[luken93]

Yeah, I don't really understand it. If guaranteed MD is 99.90 (i think), and they reduce this to 98 even - how does this change anything? It'll still have to come down to uni scores, because the number of places aren't changing I presume?

[stonecold]

Who knows.  That do whatever the hell they please.  The morons who are in charge are seriously destroying the uni.  It took them 4 years to realise that they were getting sub standard students because none of the high achieving students were willing to put up with their bull shit.

This is the worst part of the article for me:

"From next year it will lower academic hurdles within undergraduate degrees for guaranteed postgraduate places made available for school-leavers with high Year 12 scores. And in the case of the few ultra-high-performing, usually privately educated, school-leavers, the hurdles will be scrapped altogether. But the university won't lower guaranteed entry thresholds for undergraduate courses at the same time."

My interpretations is "ultra high performing" means 99.90+ students.  If I have read correctly, then they will be scrapping all kinds of hurdle requirements for these students to move onto post grad studies.  Dumbest thing I have ever read.  Some of the 99.90+ students in our cohort are just going nuts at the moment and doing no study at all, and just passing.  And what are they going to do?  Reward this type of behaviour with unconditional guaranteed places.  Utter stupidity.

And I would be amazed if they lower the MD cut off, because there are limited spots as others have said.  But knowing my luck, it wouldn't surprise me.

[burbs]

I was pretty set on Comm/Law monash, if they lower this for JD I have some thinking to do.

[taiga]

This will most likely apply most for the JD at Melbourne Uni. Not many people with a 98+ ATAR want to risk ending up with just a BA.

MD I imagine would be lowered slightly... I feel for you stonecold, this is bloody ridiculous. I don't think it will be lowered to 98 though.

I guess the money they were making from the new model wasn't enough to cancel out the 4000 student enrollment decline since they introduced it.

[Sah123]

I think such a move by the university will have counterintuitive consequences. Even if the cut-off for guaranteed entry into postgraduate is lowered there will still be a large amount of students below 96 who will not bother applying for the University of Melbourne with the knowledge that working their arses off for three years may in fact be a waste of time. Ridiculous.

[Massofbubbles]

Just looked at the current guaranteed entry page; it states:

"Current University of Melbourne students may also be eligible for a guaranteed pathway under these criteria. If you are a current student who had an ATAR of 94.00 or above, the information on this page may be relevant to you."

So hopefully the new cut-offs will apply to current students too.


link: http://futurestudents.unimelb.edu.au/admissions/entry-requirements/guaranteed-entry

[simpak]

Omg I COULD BE BACK IN THE RUNNING FOR GUARANTEED ENTRY?

[simpak]

Omg I COULD BE BACK IN THE RUNNING FOR GUARANTEED ENTRY?

Okay wait I think I'm still not eligible.  Dem bitchez.

[stonecold]

Omg I COULD BE BACK IN THE RUNNING FOR GUARANTEED ENTRY?

If we are, then I'll take back every bad thing I ever said!

Just looked at the current guaranteed entry page; it states:

"Current University of Melbourne students may also be eligible for a guaranteed pathway under these criteria. If you are a current student who had an ATAR of 94.00 or above, the information on this page may be relevant to you."

So hopefully the new cut-offs will apply to current students too.


link: http://futurestudents.unimelb.edu.au/admissions/entry-requirements/guaranteed-entry

This is really strange.  Firstly, unless that document has changed, then most of the degrees already have a 96.00+ CSP guarantee.

Secondly, I wonder what they will do with this existing guaranteed entry policy?  Will it still apply for students who finished VCE when this now obsolete policy was around, and the new policy will apply only to students who complete their VCE under the new policy...OR...assuming everyone wins on the new policy, will that just apply to everyone. 

[Peedles]

Chill out dude; and everyone else stop getting your hopes up. This has been around for almost a year now and was just waiting for it to be finalised. The 96 Enter only applies to a handful of postgraduate courses. Medicine and Dentistry still has the required enter of 99.9+ for CSP and 99.00+ for Full Fee.

Refer to:
http://futurestudents.unimelb.edu.au/admissions/entry-requirements/guaranteed-entry
and the MD and the DD website.

Who knows.  That do whatever the hell they please.  The morons who are in charge are seriously destroying the uni.  It took them 4 years to realise that they were getting sub standard students because none of the high achieving students were willing to put up with their bull shit.

This is the worst part of the article for me:

"From next year it will lower academic hurdles within undergraduate degrees for guaranteed postgraduate places made available for school-leavers with high Year 12 scores. And in the case of the few ultra-high-performing, usually privately educated, school-leavers, the hurdles will be scrapped altogether. But the university won't lower guaranteed entry thresholds for undergraduate courses at the same time."

My interpretations is "ultra high performing" means 99.90+ students.  If I have read correctly, then they will be scrapping all kinds of hurdle requirements for these students to move onto post grad studies.  Dumbest thing I have ever read.  Some of the 99.90+ students in our cohort are just going nuts at the moment and doing no study at all, and just passing.  And what are they going to do?  Reward this type of behaviour with unconditional guaranteed places.  Utter stupidity.

And I would be amazed if they lower the MD cut off, because there are limited spots as others have said.  But knowing my luck, it wouldn't surprise me.

[simpak]

Omg I COULD BE BACK IN THE RUNNING FOR GUARANTEED ENTRY?

If we are, then I'll take back every bad thing I ever said!

Just looked at the current guaranteed entry page; it states:

"Current University of Melbourne students may also be eligible for a guaranteed pathway under these criteria. If you are a current student who had an ATAR of 94.00 or above, the information on this page may be relevant to you."

So hopefully the new cut-offs will apply to current students too.


link: http://futurestudents.unimelb.edu.au/admissions/entry-requirements/guaranteed-entry

This is really strange.  Firstly, unless that document has changed, then most of the degrees already have a 96.00+ CSP guarantee.

Secondly, I wonder what they will do with this existing guaranteed entry policy?  Will it still apply for students who finished VCE when this now obsolete policy was around, and the new policy will apply only to students who complete their VCE under the new policy...OR...assuming everyone wins on the new policy, will that just apply to everyone. 

I am I just read more thoroughly (I won't be eligible if I am this terrible at comprehension).

"As long as the first course after Year 12 was a University of Melbourne undergraduate degree and course changes have occurred only among University of Melbourne courses, you will still be eligible for the guaranteed pathway."
Full-fee of course, but whatever.  It's something.  I thought I had lost it entirely!

But yeah stonecold, dw because if they allowed people with lower entry in for guaranteed in Biomed then EVERYONE IN BIOMED would have guaranteed entry which is just not feasible.  That one will stay in the same place!  It's only less competitive graduate courses which will change, and maybe the JD because that's open to so many different degrees and isn't such a narrow stream.