Music Psych Score Change Possible?

[mikee65]

This is what I quoted,

Actual result
Enter the actual result received in each subject exactly as reported on the transcript (e.g. DN, or 76). When both letter grades and percentages are given, use the letter grades. Where only percentage results are given, please refer to the Conversion Table and Conversion Table Code and convert the percentage result to a letter grade.

Then the reply as I already posted,

Perhaps you would like to confirm this yourself.

Of course theres no advantage,

its a matter of fairness, imagine someone who got many 80s, then someone who got many 79s, enough said?

[Peedles]

This is what I quoted,

Actual result
Enter the actual result received in each subject exactly as reported on the transcript (e.g. DN, or 76). When both letter grades and percentages are given, use the letter grades. Where only percentage results are given, please refer to the Conversion Table and Conversion Table Code and convert the percentage result to a letter grade.

Then the reply as I already posted,

Perhaps you would like to confirm this yourself.

Of course theres no advantage,

its a matter of fairness, imagine someone who got many 80s, then someone who got many 79s, enough said?

If anything, that would be less fairer as it assumes that all subjects are equal in difficulty ie)Person A does Chinese 1A and gets 99 and Person B does Chinese 5B and gets 85; what your saying is that Person A is pretty much smarter than Person B. Therefore, I think that the person with alot of 80's would have been part of the top group of students for the subjects he/she had completed compared to the person with 79's. A line has to be drawn somewhere between who gets a H1 and who gets a H2A.

Personally I think that the percentage scores are just used as a moderator when comparing subjects of different difficulty rather than as the score that they look at and use to rank students.

But if what you say is true, then whatevs LOL maybe my med dreams are over; but i'll still give it a shot and see how i go.

EDIT: I'm still doing Gamelan, I'm just not 100% sure whether i want to stick with it. I'm testing it out to see if I enjoy it or not as I have never done a music practical subject before. If I don't like it I'll probably drop it and just do 3 (which is okay as I'm already ahead one subject) =)

[mikee65]

Im not sure why you figure youre med dreams are over, as long as you maintain an 80 average (which you seem to be doing) youll end up with the same score as someone who got full marks on everthing, I assert that percentages should be used in calculating a GPA which subsequently draws that line between H1 and H2A otherwise especially high scoring students 90/95+ would dominate med cohorts.

[Peedles]

Im not sure why you figure youre med dreams are over, as long as you maintain an 80 average (which you seem to be doing) youll end up with the same score as someone who got full marks on everthing, I assert that percentages should be used in calculating a GPA which subsequently draws that line between H1 and H2A otherwise especially high scoring students 90/95+ would dominate med cohorts.

BROOOOOOOOOOOOOO... now i think you've confused me a bit  now. I think my 'line' is different to your 'line'. From what i understand if anything, using percentage averages would further exacerbate the domination of high scoring 90/95+ students. (hence, my sarcastic remark; my med dreams are over)

[mikee65]

Im not sure why you figure youre med dreams are over, as long as you maintain an 80 average (which you seem to be doing) youll end up with the same score as someone who got full marks on everthing, I assert that percentages should be used in calculating a GPA which subsequently draws that line between H1 and H2A otherwise especially high scoring students 90/95+ would dominate med cohorts.

BROOOOOOOOOOOOOO... now i think you've confused me a bit  now. I think my 'line' is different to your 'line'. From what i understand if anything, using percentage averages would further exacerbate the domination of high scoring 90/95+ students. (hence, my sarcastic remark; my med dreams are over)

Really? I would already presume such high scorers would easily be found in 80+, percentages just give them more leeway, for instance they may get a few 100%s in first semester, then they can score far worse next semester and still have a H1 average (which I dont think they would do anyway just because they could)

[Peedles]

Im not sure why you figure youre med dreams are over, as long as you maintain an 80 average (which you seem to be doing) youll end up with the same score as someone who got full marks on everthing, I assert that percentages should be used in calculating a GPA which subsequently draws that line between H1 and H2A otherwise especially high scoring students 90/95+ would dominate med cohorts.

BROOOOOOOOOOOOOO... now i think you've confused me a bit  now. I think my 'line' is different to your 'line'. From what i understand if anything, using percentage averages would further exacerbate the domination of high scoring 90/95+ students. (hence, my sarcastic remark; my med dreams are over)

Really? I would already presume such high scorers would easily be found in 80+, percentages just give them more leeway, for instance they may get a few 100%s in first semester, then they can score far worse next semester and still have a H1 average (which I dont think they would do anyway just because they could)

I think it still comes back again to what I said about difficulty of subjects. If your getting 100% for one subject then why would they make a process which gives this particular student more lenience when attempting other subjects. Alot of students will approach uni like: "I can slack off a bit now because if I get a 70 for another subject it will balance out anyway".  I think the range for H1 (80-100) is 20 for a reason to attempt to moderate subjects a bit to ensure that no matter what kind of subject you're doing (especially when doing breadths where students may be put out of their comfort zone abit) you still have a chance to be the top of your cohort with a reward of a full 7/7 GPA point contribution. When you think about it that way, then it is pretty fair that the person with many 80's has a higher GPA than the person with many 79's.
 
The GPA conversion on a /7 scale tells you alot of how consistent a student is with their grades. A averaged percentage score like you said would merely mask the consistency of students who get 100 but then get a 70 (average = 80%) who would then be ranked amongst students who score 80's consistently. That is clearly unfair.

[mikee65]

I suppose it just depends on circumstance, I could claim its not fair that I, someone who got 100% has the same mark and same standing as someone who didnt work nearly as hard and just managed 80, or I could say its not fair at the very margin, by sheer luck someone managed a 80 and this may or may not be a rare occurrence, I missed by 1% consequently I get a significantly lower mark. Nevertheless I agree that its not fair that due to a few easy breadths students now have incentive to not work as hard, I still find that despite any system, students who usually score high will, regardless, and the opposite too, it seems the %s system works out better In unfavourable cases, were the GPA calc. system wouldn't be as effective

[EvangelionZeta]

You're thinking too restrictively as a science/commerce student.  You also have to consider that (for some godforsaken reason), in a lot of arts subjects, getting a score in the 90s is borderline impossible.  Again, subject difficulty - that's why GPA exists, because after a certain cutoff everyone is pretty much just as capable, and discriminating within that field even further might create even more imbalances.

[Russ]

I have to be at the MDHS centre tomorrow anyway, I'll ask them then how they do it but I'm still 100% sure that GEMSAS takes your percentage grade and converts it to a 6.5/7 etc. and then averages those.

Averaging percentage grades would be bad for a number of reasons

[Peedles]

I suppose it just depends on circumstance, I could claim its not fair that I, someone who got 100% has the same mark and same standing as someone who didnt work nearly as hard and just managed 80, or I could say its not fair at the very margin, by sheer luck someone managed a 80 and this may or may not be a rare occurrence, I missed by 1% consequently I get a significantly lower mark. Nevertheless I agree that its not fair that due to a few easy breadths students now have incentive to not work as hard, I still find that despite any system, students who usually score high will, regardless, and the opposite too, it seems the %s system works out better In unfavourable cases, were the GPA calc. system wouldn't be as effective

I totally agree with EvangelionZeta. +1

I've kind of exhausted my ability to articulate how I feel about this matter. I mean no matter how the process is or how it is going to change is really outside of our control. Ultimately, there's going to be no perfect system which will satisfy everyone. However, I believe that the way your thinking about it mikeyy is abit restrictive as well like Evang said.

[mikee65]

You're thinking too restrictively as a science/commerce student.  You also have to consider that (for some godforsaken reason), in a lot of arts subjects, getting a score in the 90s is borderline impossible.  Again, subject difficulty - that's why GPA exists, because after a certain cutoff everyone is pretty much just as capable, and discriminating within that field even further might create even more imbalances.

Certainly, which is why an average of 80 in the end will score the same as 100, what you said is true if they created a new category a H11 if you will, which is 85 or 90 +, this would then create a major disadvantage towards arts students. Im merely arguing the manner in which the calculation of GPA is conducted not the cutoff points which have been instilled for the very reason you mentioned

[mikee65]

 

I have to be at the MDHS centre tomorrow anyway, I'll ask them then how they do it but I'm still 100% sure that GEMSAS takes your percentage grade and converts it to a 6.5/7 etc. and then averages those.

Averaging percentage grades would be bad for a number of reasons

Good luck, the MDHS centre is clueless IMO, they once told me that GPA years are NOT set chronologically

[Peedles]

You're thinking too restrictively as a science/commerce student.  You also have to consider that (for some godforsaken reason), in a lot of arts subjects, getting a score in the 90s is borderline impossible.  Again, subject difficulty - that's why GPA exists, because after a certain cutoff everyone is pretty much just as capable, and discriminating within that field even further might create even more imbalances.

Certainly, which is why an average of 80 in the end will score the same as 100, what you said is true if they created a new category a H11 if you will, which is 85 or 90 +, this would then create a major disadvantage towards arts students. Im merely arguing the manner in which the calculation of GPA is conducted not the cutoff points which have been instilled for the very reason you mentioned

But the cut off points for Uni grades have everything to do with how the calculation of GPA is conducted.

If what your talking about now is that people are taking advantage of the current system by doing level 1 breadths in third year (which I had no idea you were trying to get out from the very start) then I agree that maybe that is a tad flaw of the GPA system. However, everyone has the opportunity to do this. Whether you save your level 1 breadths for third year or decide to just take level 3 breadths in third year is a choice that a student makes. So when you think of it like that it's not that unfair at all.

[mikee65]

Like you said, I've kind of exhausted my ability to articulate how I feel about this matter.

[Peedles]

You also have to acknowledge that the x1, x2 and x3 weightings are only intended to allow for your most current academic ability/potential to be counted towards your GPA calculation.

EDIT: Alright, I'm going to REALLY stop now.