dropping this?

[Collin Li]

It is not rational to hold on to costs in the past. These are irrecoverable sunk costs.

However, it may be true that the benefits of doing VCE English can now be attained by a lot less costs than they would have been at the beginning of the year. So it begs the question: if you thought it was worth it at the beginning of the year, why don't you think that anymore? What unexpected changes have occurred to change this?

[Collin Li]

There is one compelling argument for keeping VCE English over VCE English Language:

The cohort in VCE English Language will tend to be more fortunate on average. The schools that provide it generally have the surplus of resources to do so, and it's not farfetched to believe there is a correlation between fortunate schools and smart students. This hurts your rank in VCE English Language. VCE English, on the other hand, contains pretty much the whole state, perhaps minus a few fortunate students who can do Literature or EL instead. This helps your rank -- and no offence to the state, but it's easy to outperform. This is also the reason why MHS makes VCE English compulsory. To do EL or Literature, you must do it in addition to VCE English.

Although, rank effects are not necessarily going to outweigh the effects of the enjoyability of a subject, I think it would be safe to keep VCE English.

Ultimately you have to weigh up the pros and cons -- and for the future, wonder why this weigh up now differs so drastically from the weigh-up you did in the start of the year. For example, were your expectations too high?

[cara.mel]

You probably won't read this in time, but just keep the subject and not study for it o_o

[bubble sunglasses]

   
     [Presuming you'll >45 for spe, phys, chem], does it matter much to you whether you get 99.00 or 99.80?

[Jake]

I have come to a stage of absolute cbf'd ness with this subject. My silly decision of taking 8 subjects [lol] is taking its toll, and I am contemplating on dropping English.
I do have another English subject [English Language] which will satisfy the English requirement, and I currently enjoy that subject a whole lot more than mainstream [though still much less than my other subjects], and my SAC results have consistently proven that I am better at EL than mainstream. In the grand-scheme of things, English will count as my 7th or 8th subject and not play a part in my ENTER score.

It has been communicated to me that I can complete the remaining SACs for mainstream [one on wednesday one in term 4], not show up to the exam and still receive an S. I am currently inclined to take this path.

My abilities in English is not all that bad, even though I hate the subject with a passion. I had to do unit 1/2 mainstream because EL clashed with another subject of mine. In my frustration I dropped unit 2 [lol] last year and did U1/2 EL independantly. I am now in the same boat again. I have tried to justify keeping the subject, but the thought of not having to do it is TOO enticing.

would anyone care to help me out and give some reasonings against it? I'd really appreciate that =]

cheers,

Good idea. Yes, drop everything. And you are right this VCE thing is such a drag. Ohhh the pain!!!

[Mao]

You probably won't read this in time, but just keep the subject and not study for it o_o

yeah, that's the plan of attack.

  
     [Presuming you'll >45 for spe, phys, chem], does it matter much to you whether you get 99.00 or 99.80?

not at all. so long as I can get into the course I want to


coblin: that is quite true. It will be easier to score well in English. However, the change of heart is that I don't want to waste any more time on something I don't enjoy, for the purpose of VCE, at the cost of other subjects. I actually enjoy EL [but i'm not "excellent" in it], and at the end of the day my aim is not terribly high.
so... if the ENTER score is the product of this year, I am reducing expenditure =]

[Ken]

what course you aiming for?

[Collin Li]

coblin: that is quite true. It will be easier to score well in English. However, the change of heart is that I don't want to waste any more time on something I don't enjoy, for the purpose of VCE, at the cost of other subjects. I actually enjoy EL [but i'm not "excellent" in it], and at the end of the day my aim is not terribly high.
so... if the ENTER score is the product of this year, I am reducing expenditure =]

Expenditure of what? There's not much you can save from it. If you want to minimise effort, you can do that without dropping the subject. It is likely, that by this stage, given that you have worked so hard for English (as you say) so far, then you can still manage to do the exam with a great chance of getting close to 40.

Also, what good is "saving effort" if you have no use for idle and unused effort? It's not like you can save that up.

(Sorry if this sounds like I'm accusing you of claiming to "save effort," I'm not. I'm not sure what you meant, so I'm just talking about something that might be relevant)

[beezy4eva]

Mayo, as a fellow english hater I can see where ur coming from. But whats the point of dropping it when you've only got a few sacs left and an exam. May as well just stick with it and wing it. You never know, the rest of the state doing normal english might do crap and you could do well and you'll get in the 40s.

[hard]

what course are you planning to get into Mao?

[Mao]

Also, what good is "saving effort" if you have no use for idle and unused effort? It's not like you can save that up.

the main thing is that I have 6 subjects this year [don't ask me why], and the amount of work I put in for English(s) farrrrr exceeds the energy I devote to my other subjects [which I really should start working in, considering the limited amount of time left]. That is, I do not have enough energy to properly prepare for one English exam, let alone 2.

I'd have a lot more motivation if I can concentrate on EL and try to achieve higher in it. [by higher I don't mean anymore than 35 ] This will be a lot more beneficial as I'd have more time to spend on other subjects which I do enjoy a lot more in [sciences, math]

coblin: that is quite true. It will be easier to score well in English. However, the change of heart is that I don't want to waste any more time on something I don't enjoy, for the purpose of VCE, at the cost of other subjects. I actually enjoy EL [but i'm not "excellent" in it], and at the end of the day my aim is not terribly high.
so... if the ENTER score is the product of this year, I am reducing expenditure =]

[Mao]

what course are you planning to get into Mao?

BSc/BE at Monash (94.4 last time I checked?): http://www.monash.edu.au/pubs/handbooks/courses/0085.html

I simply cannot be bothered putting in any more effort into something I do not enjoy and do not need. It's like cooking top quality pork for a muslim to eat.
I think my patience with it has finally ran out [especially when our next text is a play...]

[hard]

why do it then when you only need 94.4? you clearly will get that with your science and mathematics subjects so i think that doing English is pretty stupid. your wasting time on a subject that has no benefit to you!

[Collin Li]

Also, what good is "saving effort" if you have no use for idle and unused effort? It's not like you can save that up.

the main thing is that I have 6 subjects this year [don't ask me why], and the amount of work I put in for English(s) farrrrr exceeds the energy I devote to my other subjects [which I really should start working in, considering the limited amount of time left]. That is, I do not have enough energy to properly prepare for one English exam, let alone 2.

I'd have a lot more motivation if I can concentrate on EL and try to achieve higher in it. [by higher I don't mean anymore than 35 ] This will be a lot more beneficial as I'd have more time to spend on other subjects which I do enjoy a lot more in [sciences, math]

coblin: that is quite true. It will be easier to score well in English. However, the change of heart is that I don't want to waste any more time on something I don't enjoy, for the purpose of VCE, at the cost of other subjects. I actually enjoy EL [but i'm not "excellent" in it], and at the end of the day my aim is not terribly high.
so... if the ENTER score is the product of this year, I am reducing expenditure =]

Well, you misled me because you said you were "reducing expenditure"

I do highly doubt that you will be spending much of that extra time on your other subjects though. I think with all the work you've done now, it's still possible to wing the exam and do fairly well on it without further work. You might be surprised. In fact, having a new "don't care" approach to English may actually improve your result. You never know, might as well experiment -- you haven't got much to lose.

[costargh]

why do it then when you only need 94.4? you clearly will get that with your science and mathematics subjects so i think that doing English is pretty stupid. your wasting time on a subject that has no benefit to you!

Your missing the point. He doesn't have to waste any more on it. He can just go to class, bring his Chem books and study for Chem, do no hw, do no exam prep and just sit the exam!