UMAT

[munto]

well you can't because the test doesn't test empathy. its understanding people and the correct answer is taken by ACER from a phone poll or something of that ilk. so what the majority gives as the answer is correct

[ninwa]

i'm fairly bitter about the test. i did some course before and worked my arse off and got a bad score and had been gunning for med, while a girl at school gets a 250 and has no interest whatsoever, whereas i wanted to work with the red cross in refugee camps in africa. yeah it tests for empathy, my arse.

lol, same here, I worked so hard for this stupid exam, my parents paid like $700 or something for medentry. I only just scraped an interview but I highly doubt my interview skills or my ENTER score will be fantastic enough to make up for my UMAT score.

I'm similar to you except I was going to join umm .... doctors without borders (EDIT: M?decins Sans Fronti?res ). And I know people who got very high UMAT scores who only want to become doctors because they'll get lotsa money. Bullshit the UMAT selects people with "doctorly" characteristics.

My mum is a doctor. She thinks the UMAT is a pile of crap and that there's nothing in there that uni can't easily teach you later *sigh*

[ninwa]

I didn't do the umat, I don't suppose someone could post up an example of a question that tests empathy? Just curious

Well I guess by empathy you mean section 2 .... so here's a "typical" sort of section 2 question:

Bob's wife, Mary, has been in hospital recovering from a heart attack. The doctor informs Bobs that she is now well enough to return home, although she will need to 'take things easy for a while'.

Bob: I'm glad she can come home now Doctor, but I'm not sure I can look after Mary by myself. We live on our own, you know.

Doctor: Bob, it's natural to feel a little anxious, but the best thing for Mary will be to be back in her own environment.

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In his response, the doctor has
(a) not realised that Bob is concerned.
(b) not really dealt with Bob's concerns.
(c) responded to Bob's concerns effectively.
(d) made Bob feel bad about being concerned.

Following the doctor's reply, Bob is likely to feel
(a) relieved.
(b) empowered.
(c) embarrassed.
(d) apprehensive.

[maxleng]

woahh just trying to answer those 2 Qs gave me a headache, i loathe these type of things especially knowing if you got the first one 'wrong' the second one will be too

id say c and d, whats the 'answers'?

[Toothpaste]

Is it B and C? LOL Well that's what I think.

[melanie.dee]

oh wow they're actually health sciences related questions, i thought it was more general.

id say b and d? whats the answer?

[munto]

I'm similar to you except I was going to join umm .... doctors without borders (EDIT: M?decins Sans Fronti?res ).

yeah i was looking into that too. well theres always post grad med, or i could work in advocacy with biomed/law...

[ninwa]

lol melanie you're right it's B and D

I still think they're absolutely stupid questions.

Here's another stupid section 2 one:

Elaine is an 89-year-old widow who has lived independently for the past 20 years. She has become very frail and has had a fall resulting in hospitalisation for a broken hip. Since the fall she has had great difficulty walking. The doctor is reluctant to release her from hospital until she can find accommodation in a setting where nursing care is available. Elaine tells the nurse that she is quite capable of looking after herself and is adamant that she is going home.

Which response by the nurse will best help her to deal with Elaine's reluctance to accept supported accommodation?

(a) Talking to Elaine about the available options and inviting her to discuss her concerns about her future.

(b) Explaining to Elaine that 24-hour nursing care, healthy meals and an appropriate exercise program are just what she needs.

(c) Reassuring Elaine that there are many good quality accommodation arrangements that will enable her to stay as independent as possible.

(d) Indicating that she understands Elaine's reluctance to give up her home but feels it is necessary, as Elaine must have nursing care.

[melanie.dee]

i used to want to do the medecins sans frontieres type thing, i still kind of do, but i dont think i have enough motivation to get through that many years of medicine.. therefore there are probably people that want it more than me. i still want to work in ngos etc, but ill probably do it through more of a law pathway i suppose.

i prob wouldnt have gotten the score for medicine even if i had tried this year. not that i am for law either, but ill get into arts and transfer. nothing really motivated me enough to try hard and excel. oh welle

eta;ahah woohoo i can answer a question. i must qualify to be a doctor now :!:

for the second question. C?

[cara.mel]

I'd say it's either A or C, learning towards A

But then, my people skills are utter crap =D

[melanie.dee]

yeh it defs could be A too. id bet either one of those two. id said C because im not sure ahha. probs wrong

[kido_1]

Its not about your people skills. UMAT is a game of luck.

Sadly, though next year i will be having to do it. Only JCU accepts students without UMAT.

[ninwa]

Answer is A.

Clearly you people would make better doctors than me :cry:

Its not about your people skills. UMAT is a game of luck.

QFT

[kido_1]

I especially hate Section 2. Section 3 is just a click/not click moment in your head. And it is an intense 2 hours.

[ninwa]

I hate all the sections. But section 1 makes the most sense to me.

Section 2 seems so damned subjective and mind-reading-ish - how the hell am I supposed to know what someone is thinking? Everyone is different, feelings don't follow a rule :roll:

Section 3 is gay cos I suck at it