Holiday study buddies?

[Butler]

Well, if your little group of friends is going to grab top 3, as long as you're in that, and you three's relative exam performance in the state is much higher as a result of collaborative teamwork and healthy competition, then you will all benefit greatly.

Yeah, I've been told on multiple occasions that helping people is to be encouraged. The running joke in my philosophy class is that by doing well and helping people, I'm helping to raise the overall achievements of my cohort, thus benefiting my class and myself.

[marbs]

Fair enough Orsel.

I don't know if your schools similar to mine, but our teachers always harp on about working together, and bringing the average mark up. In many cases there are situations in which people cannot study as much as you have, eg. Sickness, deaths, girl problems or stress. Or some peope are limited by academic abiliy. And I feel I should help them if I've been lucky enough to have a clear run,

I'm not putting you in the same boat as my douche bag school collegue, but at my school I got given heaps of prac Rich III essays, and notes when I was sick from mates and non mates, but this one "competitor" wouldn't help.

[*Roxxii*]

Yeah same... our teachers also encourage us to work together to bring our average mark up.
I think its a really good idea coz it not only benefits your friends/classmates...but may also benefit yourself too.
I find that by helping out friends with their problems, i am also reinforcing my own knowledge.
And it also feels good to know that you have helped a friend out

So yayyyy! Study Buddies FTW 

[orsel]

In many cases there are situations in which people cannot study as much as you have, eg. Sickness, deaths, girl problems or stress.

I'm curious as to whether this was actually experienced by you, or if you're just stating it as an unlikely possibility? Other than the issue of 'sickness' though. In my own experience, the reason for not studying is often simply lack of discipline.

It also seems that I'm in the minority when I say that I've never found group study to be useful. If I have a question, Google often provides a better answer than friends/teachers. What happens in group study sessions is me ending up teaching others basic knowledge that they would have known if they opened a textbook once in a while.

[marbs]

Yep all of them except for death. I don't think I'd be the only one. Last month my friend lost his friend to cancer, and needed all the help he could get.

Discipline plays a huge role in year 12, especially deciding whether to go out on a w/e, but I don't think lack of discipline is something that should be held against helping people

[orsel]

Ah, seems like I've lived a sheltered life, nothing ever happens in my social circle. My condolences for your friend's loss.

Discipline plays a huge role in year 12, especially deciding whether to go out on a w/e, but I don't think lack of discipline is something that should be held against helping people

The way I see it, so many people can give up a social life for a year but don't want to. And so when they then end up being a burden on me, I'll still help them when they ask for it, but the passion to try and teach them to the best of my knowledge just isn't there, the only reason I help them is to maintain some measure of decency. As opposed to someone else who tries hard but still doesn't get it, in which case I actually have an inclination to help.

But the latter case is close to nonexistant at my school.

[enwiabe]

At Mount Scopus College in 2007, about 4 students formed an "alliance" where they helped each other in all of their subjects. They shared all their resources and met regularly to work and get the best out of their VCE.

...

2 of them got 99.95, one got 99.90 and the other 99.55

You would ALL do well to form a study group.

[AppleThief]

At Mount Scopus College in 2007, about 4 students formed an "alliance" where they helped each other in all of their subjects. They shared all their resources and met regularly to work and get the best out of their VCE.

...

2 of them got 99.95, one got 99.90 and the other 99.55

You would ALL do well to form a study group.

You're not trying to tell us that study group = 99+ ENTER, are you? They can just as easily lead to 70. There's not necessarily a positive correlation between having a study group and getting a rather high ENTER...

[Collin Li]

The local ranking effects of SACs should not matter. Your competitive collaboration will end up netting you guys the top spots in the class. Disregard the order of that for now, because your state-wide rank in the examinations would also be great due to your ability to create gains from teamwork. This means your SACs will be appropriately moderated upwards, regardless of your precise internal rank (out of that top 4 or so).

[orsel]

You're not trying to tell us that study group = 99+ ENTER, are you?

QFT


As previously noted in regard to level of commitment:

But the latter case is close to nonexistant at my school.

Forming a 'collaborative study group' with people who are too cbf to put in any effort will not allow me to start 'netting top spots'.

You do realize that not everyone has the opportunity to go to selective schools where there actually are hardworking people?

[Eriny]

^ That's very true. However, you can't possibly be the only person in your whole school who cares about their ENTER.

I went to a school that is classified as 'underrepresented' and out median study score was 28.

When I did economics there was a small group of 3 of us who met after school with the teacher to do extra work collaboratively. I was ranked number one in the class, and I can tell you now that if it weren't for that group work, my score would not have been as high.

[bubble sunglasses]

 i think it's helpful if  you're confident none of the people you're helping will outrank you [or don't care.] And conversely  if the expertise is well divided. I'm guessing that was the case with enwiabe's example, neophyte would have been aiming for 100% in English so he wouldn't have minded if someone else got 100% and likewise for the maths gun of their group.
  It probably wouldn't have worked so well if they had all been of equal ability in all areas
 
   Apple Theif, he's saying simply that study groups can be beneficial, k? he never says they'll guarantee >99
 

[Collin Li]

What I'm saying is that even if you're all of equal intelligence, if teamwork will bring you guys all up, then it doesn't matter (that much) whether you're third out of the group, or first, because your SAC marks will be moderated up due to your mini-cohort performing better, relative to the state.

It all boils down to: what is the most efficient allocation of resources to achieving your end goal? It may involve teamwork, it may not. I'm just trying to show you that teamwork isn't necessarily a stupid idea in VCE.

[AppleThief]

   Apple Theif, he's saying simply that study groups can be beneficial, k? he never says they'll guarantee >99

And I'm just saying that they can either be beneficial or not beneficial.

[orsel]

It all boils down to: what is the most efficient allocation of resources to achieving your end goal? It may involve teamwork, it may not. I'm just trying to show you that teamwork isn't necessarily a stupid idea in VCE.

I know that, of course, but what I objected to was the baseless generalisation that group study=win.

^ That's very true. However, you can't possibly be the only person in your whole school who cares about their ENTER.

You, too, speak the truth. I am not the only one who cares about my ENTER.

But I will hazard a guess that I am the one who cares the most, and does the most, and that I have little to gain from the help of others. I will say, though, that my solitary study patterns are probably less affected by lack of external input, due to my particular subject choices, of which none are humanities.

Apple Theif, he's saying simply that study groups can be beneficial, k? he never says they'll guarantee >99

You would ALL do well to form a study group.

lol what a mild way to suggest that study groups may, possibly, be beneficial.