Holiday study buddies?

[xox.happy1.xox]

Aww... That's exactly what happens with me... If I know the person that is

[Ken]

might as well have a tutor as your study buddy!

[Rietie]

I come from the north-east side, from the awesome suburb, Northcote.

I don't know anyone (from school or who is a student I have personally met) from Northcote.

[bubble sunglasses]

I come from the north-east side, from the awesome suburb, Northcote.

I don't know anyone (from school or who is a student I have personally met) from Northcote.

 there are ppl from Ivanhoe, Doncaster and Preston, although i think English would be your only subject in common

[Collin Li]

Unfortunately the competitive nature of VCE makes people less inclined to collaborate with each other, even though in the end it is helpful for all concerned.

Those people are silly. Your friends are stupid if they think that way (unfortunately, there's not much you can do about that). A competitive spirit will raise you relative to the state by many ranks, which outweighs the possibility that 2-3 friends get ahead of you.

[Eriny]

It is stupid, but the quest to get the highest internal rank or whatever can often send people mad. Also, you'd probably feel weird if you're ranked number 1, you help someone out and make a couple of stupid mistakes on the next SAC and then the person who you helped out gets the highest mark on that SAC.

[orsel]

It is stupid, but the quest to get the highest internal rank or whatever can often send people mad.

Why would it be stupid to aim for the highest SAC ranking?

The only case in which it wouldn't make such a huge difference is if you were from Melbourne High and co, where you can virtually be ranked last and still get a raw 50.

kgais i'm goin for rank 2 nao 2>>1 amirite??

[Eriny]

I'm not saying it's stupid to aim for the highest, I'm saying it's stupid to be afraid of working with other people in case you jeopardise your rank.

[orsel]

But if you are busy helping others, you are risking your rank?

Not trying to make the point that you should isolate yourself and be a selfish bastard, just that I wouldn't go out of my way to try and help my competition.

[Collin Li]

Well, if your little group of friends is going to grab top 3, as long as you're in that, and you three's relative exam performance in the state is much higher as a result of collaborative teamwork and healthy competition, then you will all benefit greatly.

[Eriny]

But if you are busy helping others, you are risking your rank?

Not trying to make the point that you should isolate yourself and be a selfish bastard, just that I wouldn't go out of my way to try and help my competition.

That's exactly the attitude that the VCE tends to breed. In real life, however, it's much easier to see how collaboration means that there are better results for everyone involved.

[marbs]

But if you are busy helping others, you are risking your rank?

Not trying to make the point that you should isolate yourself and be a selfish bastard, just that I wouldn't go out of my way to try and help my competition.

Mate thats the attitude I hate. Recently someone wouldn't help me with something, I missed when I had 10 days of school, and I stood looking at him after he said to me 'Nah, I want to keep my rank'. that he sounds like a tool. Luckily I'm not mates with people like this, and realise that rank and enters is not the most important thing as people employ you, personality, life experiences, and things that seperate people.

This was exemplified with the Deloitte Cadetships where my mate who got 35 in Accounting, got the cadetship while someone who got 45 missed out.

But its your choice, If you want to think of year 12 as a competition. 

[orsel]

That's exactly the attitude that the VCE tends to breed. In real life, however, it's much easier to see how collaboration means that there are better results for everyone involved.

That's the thing, VCE is not similar in any aspect to real life. Real mathematics isn't just mindlessly rote learning and endless exercises. Real science is not taught from oversimplified textbooks.

Ultimately, the underlying importance of VCE is only to segregate students based on ENTER, and perhaps as a secondary function it teaches the very basic foundations of a few subjects. Of course I'm not usually an elitist asshole, it is merely that year 12 takes priority.

Mate thats the attitude I hate. Recently someone wouldn't help me with something, I missed when I had 10 days of school, and I stood looking at him after he said to me 'Nah, I want to keep my rank'. that he sounds like a tool.

I help others when asked, it'd be rude not to. But what I don't do is preemptively offer assistance to those who, by their own choice, have put in only a fraction of the effort that I put in, and then expect me to expend my time on them.

[ed_saifa]

I help others when asked, it'd be rude not to. But what I don't do is preemptively offer assistance to those who, by their own choice, have put in only a fraction of the effort that I put in, and then expect me to expend my time on them.

You're right

[Collin Li]

I mainly help people if it's by teaching them. Teaching is one of the most mutually beneficial activities you could do in this sort of context.