Obligatory result thread

[Mao]

Only in response to his choice to selectively ignore my post.

Sif reading my tone as condescending. I'm sorry if you do feel offended, but I only escalated my original post in response to the accusatory implications. After all, none of this actually affects me, don't take me too serious k?


edit: lol karma went down. Nice, too much + for some reason anyway. So Mao, why so serious?

he replied here: http://vcenotes.com/forum/index.php/topic,5580.msg67318.html#msg67318
though I got to it faster.

I am not personally offended, but I am disgusted at the what you say. If none of this affects you, I see little reason for any further input from you. In my opinion, this is nothing short of "trolling".

ALSO, i don't bitch when I get -ve.

[trav]

for those with crappy umat scores, like 48 for example, does that rule you out from doing stuff like pharmacy/dentistry etc?

yeah yeah!! does anyone know?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (i got the exact same thing btw!) im praying for dent. definitely not at melb at this rate but hopefully at SA

[excal]

I'll admit that I only offered that '1st pref' as possible speculation, but you still ignore my point on full-fee places and increased candidate numbers.

Also,

When people look at their UMAT results, it's confusing. Often, people get confused between what they're reading and what looks like a 76 percentile might be a ridiculously awesome score.

at least give her enough credit to read the huge letters "Overall Score".

gabrielle_ if it was 76 overall, you probably have an interview offer!

I dislike your overly optimistic tone, lol.

you have successfully ignored my (and his) reply re your number of places

and I highly resent your condescending tone.

My sincere congratulations to those who achieved well (esp dcc's gf, if it is indeed the overall score), and consolation to those who had higher aims. They say you will always get to where you want, it just depends on which route you take =]

Only in response to his choice to selectively ignore my post.

Sif reading my tone as condescending. I'm sorry if you do feel offended, but I only escalated my original post in response to the accusatory implications. After all, none of this actually affects me, don't take me too serious k?


edit: lol karma went down. Nice, too much + for some reason anyway. So Mao, why so serious?

I don't like your tone either orsel.

[orsel]

Mao: So I guess you want me to address to you a serious argument for Monash cutoff to increase, given that you bothered to decrease my karma for my previous posting. Again, apologies for 'being a douche', if you will take my assurance that that was not my intention.

Why don't you research your sources? Mr Rudd specifically said the loss of revenue due to abolishing of full fee places will be covered by the federal government, so to keep the number of places available the same.

Okay, but I went to the Monash med and health science faculty open day back in ?August?. They said there, and it says on their website/booklet that they will be offering the same number of CSP places this year as last, in spite of the full-fee abolishment. I assume this means that there will therefore be fewer places available.

volume of applications will stay the same.

Probably not. Often interstaters(and also whoever else cares for the reputation) only apply for UniMelb because of the prestige, choosing not to go for Monash. If they make it, they'll come to Melbourne rather than stay in their own state; if not, they remain in their own state's universities. But now Monash will be perceived as the 'best' in Victoria, so I expect there'll be more applications.

edit:

ALSO, i don't bitch when I get -ve.

I'm not bloody bitching. No, seriously. Only you seem to be taking this too literally, when IMO I'm clearly being offhand because there is no point debating on the interwebz.

Coblin: thx for the love <3

[excal]

My friend got an overall score of 40, does she have any chance of getting in Med?

i'd say no, it sucks how a few hours determines ur career aye?

Not really, there are always pathways into medicine like grad med, allied health or even lateral entry if you do well enough during your undergrad.

Don't lose hope yet! If you want it enough, you'll get there (eventually!)

[dcc]

Holy crap dcc, your girlfriend is a bloody genius if she got 72 overall

lol i think she meant percentile

[excal]

Holy crap dcc, your girlfriend is a bloody genius if she got 72 overall

lol i think she meant percentile

Still very high!

[excal]

Better to err on the side of pessimism than to give false hope.

There is no need to kick a person who is already (metaphorically) on the floor unconscious.

In other words, a lot of people are disappointed in their results already...you don't need to make it worse for them.

[Collin Li]

Better to err on the side of pessimism than to give false hope.

There is no need to kick a person who is already (metaphorically) on the floor unconscious.

In other words, a lot of people are disappointed in their results already...you don't need to make it worse for them.

I'm not a psychologist, but I am an economist. The correction period will occur eventually. You can choose to bolster it with lies (like central banks are doing now, by introducing new credit), but eventually it will crunch. The reality will come sooner or later. There's no clear answer which one is the best approach (short-run pain or long-run pain), so why attack orsel for trying to state the truth?

People can make their own minds up.

[orsel]

Better to err on the side of pessimism than to give false hope.

There is no need to kick a person who is already (metaphorically) on the floor unconscious.

In other words, a lot of people are disappointed in their results already...you don't need to make it worse for them.

I think I phrased that better in the full post. Don't quote me out of context please. I already say that I hate to break bad news to the people who post along the lines of "Will I get in?", but dude,

Still very high!

that is equally, if not more, cruel to exaggerate. If you don't do well, try again and don't give in, but if you have failed this time, accept it and move on. Don't trick them into believing they have a good chance if they don't. I know you have good intentions behind it, but its just not on.

[excal]

Of course reality will come sooner than later, but let them find out when they get their offer letters.

The interesting thing is that orsel has not factored in last year's cut-off of 59 in his predictions (for Monash). He's being basically 'no, you won't get in' for a person in the 76th percentile without seeking the additional information.

But, I digress from the original point: his condescending tone isn't needed here.

EDIT: Opinion was formed based on comparison to why my brother got, where his overall score was in the 50 region and in a similar numbered percentile.

[excal]

Better to err on the side of pessimism than to give false hope.

There is no need to kick a person who is already (metaphorically) on the floor unconscious.

In other words, a lot of people are disappointed in their results already...you don't need to make it worse for them.

I think I phrased that better in the full post. Don't quote me out of context please. I already say that I hate to break bad news to the people who post along the lines of "Will I get in?", but dude,

Still very high!

that is equally, if not more, cruel to exaggerate. If you don't do well, try again and don't give in, but if you have failed this time, accept it and move on. Don't trick them into believing they have a good chance if they don't. I know you have good intentions behind it, but its just not on.

How is it more cruel? While in a single variable case, it may very well be bad to give false hopes where there is none - this is a bi-variate case. Yes, UMAT is a factor...but you don't need to strike a person's morale down when VCE exams are around the corner.

In terms of economics vs. psychology - the self-correction would naturally occur at offer time. It is only because there is the lubricant of information in this forum that it may occur earlier.

[orsel]

The interesting thing is that orsel has not factored in last year's cut-off of 59 in his predictions (for Monash). He's being basically 'no, you won't get in' for a person in the 76th percentile without seeking the additional information.

I've got the graph in front of me and I can see that 76% gets you in the 54 region. So Monash cutoff would have to go down for even an interview. Not likely. She also stated that she got 55 overall.

But, I digress from the original point: his condescending tone isn't needed here.

I fail to see where I was condescending, but I guess two separate apologies aren't good enough.

So let me emphatically say once more that if you were offended by my tone, personally or no, that was not my intention, and I am sorry.

[Collin Li]

How is it more cruel? While in a single variable case, it may very well be bad to give false hopes where there is none - this is a bi-variate case. Yes, UMAT is a factor...but you don't need to strike a person's morale down when VCE exams are around the corner.

In terms of economics vs. psychology - the self-correction would naturally occur at offer time. It is only because there is the lubricant of information in this forum that it may occur earlier.

How about you stop making assumptions about what people want, and let people answer questions? People asked what their score will get them.

[excal]

The interesting thing is that orsel has not factored in last year's cut-off of 59 in his predictions (for Monash). He's being basically 'no, you won't get in' for a person in the 76th percentile without seeking the additional information.

I've got the graph in front of me and I can see that 76% gets you in the 54 region. So Monash cutoff would have to go down for even an interview. Not likely. She also stated that she got 55 overall.

But, I digress from the original point: his condescending tone isn't needed here.

I fail to see where I was condescending, but I guess two separate apologies aren't good enough.

So let me emphatically say once more that if you were offended by my tone, personally or no, that was not my intention, and I am sorry.

Thank you.

How is it more cruel? While in a single variable case, it may very well be bad to give false hopes where there is none - this is a bi-variate case. Yes, UMAT is a factor...but you don't need to strike a person's morale down when VCE exams are around the corner.

In terms of economics vs. psychology - the self-correction would naturally occur at offer time. It is only because there is the lubricant of information in this forum that it may occur earlier.

How about you stop making assumptions about what people want, and let people answer questions? People asked what their score will get them.

Of course, but like I said, there is no need to have a condescending tone while being pessimistic about it. Nothing wrong with being pessimistic or cautious, but the delivery needs to be considered.