Private Schools

[brendan]

[mozart]

for gods sake, i know many ppl who have gotten 99.90 and over in real life and all have gone to a private school. But you know what, i don't know wone person who got over 99.90 in real life that is, however 80% of thos people i know in them private schools have suffered in the real world compared to the public school students who have literally strolled through the real life because they have experienced it during school.
Those private school students, got they're first preference for university offers however after compeleting the course, i know many who have struggled to actually do well in the job while most the public students who have gaines their frist preferences for uni have succeed past uni and past school.


My point is, while most private school students reviece first class education they actually do not understand the difficulties in the real worl which they must face after their school years in which they are usually taken care of so well that they don't know what loosing means or what facing an obstacles really feels like.


btw this is just my view and im not saying all people in private or public schols are like this. This is just from my experiences and what i've seen

[Collin Li]

I don't really see the logic behind this argument that says public education better prepares you for life. It might be the case that private schools spoon-feed you but I would say at the upper end, those people have been educated well enough to know how to teach themselves, and they will do well in life.

I don't see public schools educating you to any "real life" scenarios more so than private schools. All there is added in public schools is more failures and poor people. The only thing you miss out on is maybe learning how to respect poor people, but that is not going to cost you much in life, considering the poor people probably wont be doing you any favours (monetarily, at least).

[SilverBullet]

for gods sake, i know many ppl who have gotten 99.90 and over in real life and all have gone to a private school. But you know what, i don't know wone person who got over 99.90 in real life that is, however 80% of thos people i know in them private schools have suffered in the real world compared to the public school students who have literally strolled through the real life because they have experienced it during school.
Those private school students, got they're first preference for university offers however after compeleting the course, i know many who have struggled to actually do well in the job while most the public students who have gaines their frist preferences for uni have succeed past uni and past school.


My point is, while most private school students reviece first class education they actually do not understand the difficulties in the real worl which they must face after their school years in which they are usually taken care of so well that they don't know what loosing means or what facing an obstacles really feels like.


btw this is just my view and im not saying all people in private or public schols are like this. This is just from my experiences and what i've seen

I respect that this is your view and is based on your experiences and I commend you on sharing your thoughts with us.

I would like to offer a different opinion on your post though. You are correct in saying that most private school students receive first class education (with the fees at such a rate you would hope so!) but I have to disagree with you saying that we do not understand the difficulties in the real world. I know at my school, which as an all girls Catholic private school in the suburbs (not that elite but still up there) the majority of the student body experienced obstacles. Every one of my friends had to buy their own car, pay for their friends’ birthday presents and buy their own luxuries. We had parents divorcing, we had someone lose a close family member to a murder and other things which I think would be classed as difficulties.

In reference to your point about students succeeding past their university degrees I struggle to see how their high school education would make that much of a difference with how much they advance in their career (please note I am only talking about people who have gone onto university and then into their careers). The students, public and private, all attend university where things aren’t spoon fed to you (I’m yet to find this out for myself I’ll let you know in a few months if this is true! hehe) and therefore the private students who have had it easier in your opinion are no longer getting a less stressful ride than the public students. When the end of the degree comes and they are starting their employment wouldn’t they have similar habits to those of the public students because universities are all very similar?

I don’t think it is fair to stereotype all private students as snobs who have had everything they have ever wanted given to them without so much as raising a sweat. Mozart I am not saying that you have done this! We have experienced life obstacles too and trust me, we know what it’s like to lose and fail!

[Fyrefly]

re: "those people have been educated well enough to know how to teach themselves"
No-one can teach you to teach yourself; self-learning is a skill-set and frame of mind independent of intelligence, the price of an education and prior knowledge.
It's like riding a bike - someone can give you a friendly nudge, but in the end it's up to the individual.

Coblin to look down on poorer people and severely underestimate the importance of learning respect is to miss out on one of the most crucial lessons of all. I feel truly sorry for anyone on this forum who prizes money above their fellow man. I was really surprised that comment came from you... I hope I misinterpreted it.

[brendan]

Coblin to look down on poorer people and severely underestimate the importance of learning respect

Coblin questioned the benefit of "learning how to respect poor people". This is quite distinct from learning how to respect people in general, and that in turn is quite distinct from actually respecting people in general.

No-one can teach you to teach yourself

Why not? Why can't someone teach a person self-learning skills?

what facing an obstacles really feels like.

There are some obstacles that young children are better off not facing such as:
1. Constant and increasing shortages of teachers in maths and science,
2. High turnoever rates of teachers (up to 50% in some remote government schools in Cape York)
3. A government created zoning system that deliberately prevents poor families from accessing the government schools of their choice that will perpetuate cycles of disadvantage if not removed.
4. Ridiculous difficulty of firing poor-performing teachers in government schools
5. A veil of secrecy in which public schools hide their performance data from the public.
6. The financial penalization of poor families opting-out of government schools by a highly questionable school funding formula that focuses on schools and not the student.

[Fyrefly]

A person can be taught HOW to be self-learning, but they cannot be taught to be self-learning. It's perfectly possible to teach someone the skills, but it's up to the individual to apply them. Just as you can instruct someone on how to ride a bike, but cannot ride it for them.

[mozart]

put it this way, the government is restricting the poor from accessing quality education while it encourages the rich/powerful to be apart of them elite schools, and that includes public schools.
LOL i would like to see a celebrity at a public school XD.


Face the future people, New World Order is coming and it's everywhere around us. :p yes wierd but rathar intriguing

[brendan]

A person can be taught HOW to be self-learning, but they cannot be taught to be self-learning.

Why not? Why can't you teach someone to be self-learning? How is teaching someone to be self-learning in anyway similar to "riding the bike for them"?

put it this way, the government is restricting the poor from accessing quality education while it encourages the rich/powerful to be apart of them elite schools, and that includes public schools.
LOL i would like to see a celebrity at a public school XD.


Face the future people, New World Order is coming and it's everywhere around us. :p yes wierd but rathar intriguing

That made little sense to me

[mozart]

ya it didn't make sense to me neither until you look close
meh... fuck Private schools

[Collin Li]

Fyrefly, I questioned the benefits of knowing how to respect poor people. I personally think the benefits will be small. It doesn't mean that I disrespect poor people. I guess you are demonstrating that there is a cost for not respecting the poor, they don't get your support!

[Eriny]

No-one can teach you to teach yourself

Why not? Why can't someone teach a person self-learning skills?

I think the ability to be able to learn by yourself is something you pick up from infancy and develop throughout your life. It doesn't happen independent of school but it seems to me that school helps by exposing you learning experiences. How individuals react to the experience and what they take up on it through reflection and hard work is almost solely dependent on the student.

[Fyrefly]

Coblin... I don't mean to say you have or do show poor people disrespect, that's not what I was trying to say... Forget I said anything, this has gone way off-topic.

[Collin Li]

New world order PeoPle, don't trust your government!

oh yer and the VCAA is aPart of the NWO Oh well got to do well in VCE so i can work as a secretive CIA Agent to fuck uP them mother fukers!


btw who believes that Physics owns chemistry! +1 for me

ya it didn't make sense to me neither until you look close
meh... fuck Private schools

You should like private schools, if you're so paranoid about the government.

[droodles]

private schools are so much better than pub holes, you get to mingle with nice mannered girls instead of clubbing junkie whores. You guys really need to think outside the square sometimes, seriously.


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