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[enwiabe]

I'm going to end my input into this discussion now with some analysis of the way you've been behaving as members. You all expect me to act professionally, right?

See:

We all have karma, so why shouldn't you be accountable??

and

I suppose it's up to them to decide whether they should place their trust in an admin with little to no professionalism, who happily steps over the line to satisfy his own curiosity.

So why, in god's name, when I took power back from those who weren't selected moderators on the FSN #vce channel did you all get so angry at me? That was acting professionally. That was ensuring that new members who came to the channel weren't greeted by everyone having moderator powers and the anarchy that you so enjoyed. To be perfectly honest with you, this is gross hypocrisy on your part. It is sheer double-standards, and to be honest with you, all you're trying to do is scapegoat me. No matter what I do, even if it's good, you find some way to try to hate it.

Let me tell you, it's just pathetic. There are other people than goosefraba and melanie.dee who subscribe to this double-standard bullshit, and you know who you are. Let me be the one to tell you that it is simply fake and bitchy. I couldn't give a lick what you think of me, and as far as I'm concerned, I wouldn't mind seeing you all quit (again, you know who 'you all' are). I'm just offering you my repartee to your brazen attack on my leadership. You're not exactly crash-hot members yourselves.

[melanie.dee]

Fuck I cannot be fucked with this, and I agree this is just bringing attention to the situation which I would rather it not. Hello look what I wrote I half agreed with you, saying that this is not the place to be discussing this, however on the other hand I do think what you did was incredibly unprofessional and it is important for others to know that.

I do not take issue with everything you do for the sake of it, however you disguising your power grabbing attempts as professional and beneficial for the FSN community is pretty effing ridiculous. Fuck this is so pointless though, I don't even care this much and I didn't even bring this up.

Can this portion of the thread be removed?

[enwiabe]

Power-grabbing? Excuse me? FreeStudyNotes.com official VCE chat was the title of that IRC.

It was official canon of the FSN community.

It wasn't power grabbing. The same 'power structure' that you see on this forum was supposed to remain there. All of the moderators had op powers, and I did too. I simply wanted to maintain that. And again, the fact that you're STILL averse to it and regarding it as a 'power grab' reeks of the ridiculous double-standards you're imposing upon me. Good job, there, melanie. You are a hypocrite.

[brendan]

I do think what you did was incredibly unprofessional and it is important for others to know that.

I would agree with that statement

[melanie.dee]

Ah but you seem to have no grasp on the idea of when it's necessary and appropriate to assert your powers as admin, and when it's better to just let things be, instead of turning into the fun police. I label it power grabbing because of your seeming inability to let things such as that go and continue along peacefully when they threaten your position and ego. Maybe I shouldn't even blame you for this; a lack of sense of occasion is more unfortunate rather than intentionally evil. Hmm.

And how does this make me a hypocrite anyway? You'll have to explain the logical links a little more clearly there.

Equally, whether you like it or not, as admin your actions are going to be scrutinised somewhat more intently than if you were to be a regular member. Get used to it.

[enwiabe]

'position' and 'ego'? HELLO: I'll spell it out for you with nice little logical links so I don't skip the obvious.

FreeStudyNotes.com is a business. At some point there will be advertisements on this website. I have poured money into this business and am currently running at a small loss.

As such, I want the power divisions that I have defined to retain parity across all sections of the community. In IRC, if I see everyone having Op powers, that's not professional. That's anarchic. I'm going to fix that. Do note that as administrator, I don't particularly care if I'm the 'fun police' when it comes to enforcing decorum in the forum (hehe rhyme). If you don't like it, again, look elsewhere. But don't accuse me of being unprofessional, and don't whine and bitch about my leadership because I am apparently the 'fun police'. Somebody has to do it.

With logical links:

You accuse me of being unprofessional.
Logical link number 1 that goes over the blatantly obvious for you:
WHOA HERE WE GO! This links to the idea that you think I should be professional at all times.

Okay, so now step forward to you whining and complaining about my being the 'fun police' and restoring the parity of power.
Logical link number 2 that goes over the blatantly obvious for you:
You ready for it? Strap into your logical seat!
I WAS acting professionally to restore the hierarchy of power in FSN. Imagine if I made everyone administrator on the forum. It'd be chaos! And that's how it was in IRC. You could actually kick me, the administrator from the room. I don't want a new member to see that. THAT looks unprofessional.

Final logical link that does not skip steps and explains everything plainly for you.
It is then HYPOCRITICAL to complain about my apparent 'breach of privacy' as being unprofessional whilst simultaneously bitching about my professionalism in upholding the parity of power across all divisions of FSN. THAT makes you a hypocrite.

And yes, I agree my actions will be more scrutinised than a regular member's. It doesn't make your actions any less wrong, however. I just thought I'd point that out to you. It doesn't absolve me of anything, it's merely pointing out my frustrations with your actions, just as you've done with mine.

[melanie.dee]

But pal, I hadn't even brought the fun police point up when you said I was being hypocritical. That renders it irrelevant as evidence to your earlier claim.

I am arguing that you should maintain a level of professionalism at all times. I havn't wavered from this claim. My contention is that you have no grasp on how to carry out this idea. What YOU claim as professionalism, I claim as otherwise. This is where it all goes wrong. If we take your view, then I am being a hypocrite. If we take my view, then I'm not being a hypocrite, I'm upholding the same idea throughout and taking issue with the way you interpret that particular idea.

And lol yes I'm aware that you're allowed to point out any frustrations you have with my actions, go ahead, although I would probably restrain if I was admin, but I suppose you find yourself in a bit of an uncomfortable place being both admin and an active member. Hmm.

[Collin Li]

I think the rules for IRC should have been relaxed because it is a different medium of communication that is simply more chaotic in nature. Perhaps the social justice (kicking and banning enwiabe) was not professional, but the mass deop's that always occurred on enwiabe's arrival were not necessary. (You started the deop before the "social justice" took place, so don't say it was self-defence)

It doesn't matter now, because it is out of FSN jurisdiction, and totally member-run (yay, it's a commune).

[enwiabe]

No, you'd brought it up in a past discussion. That's EXACTLY what I'm getting at! During the IRC discussions you kept complaining about my apparent 'power hunger'. I am bringing this up from a past discussion that there are times when my professionalism doesn't quite rub you the right way and you bitch and moan. WHOA! Hypocrite. HEY, SUP, HOW ARE YOU.

What do you claim as professionalism, melanie.dee? Hmmm? Do you think professionalism should be taking the necessary means to ensure that order is constant in all divisions of a company? Do you believe it also entails good behavioural standards? You can't have one without the other!

Through your hypocrisy, you've lost all right to professionalism in dealing with me on this issue. In future, I will treat you with the respect that you clearly don't show me. But for this thread and in these posts, I am going to express to you how agitated I get by insufferable hypocrites like you in every way possible. I refuse to cop your crap on the chin, smile about it and pretend nothing has happened. If I alienate you, and members like you in this way then so be it. I think we're better off without you, anyway.

[enwiabe]

I think the rules for IRC should have been relaxed because it is a different medium of communication that is simply more chaotic in nature. Perhaps the social justice (kicking and banning enwiabe) was not professional, but the mass deop's that always occurred on enwiabe's arrival were not necessary. (You started the deop before the "social justice" took place, so don't say it was self-defence)

It doesn't matter now, because it is out of FSN jurisdiction, and totally member-run (yay, it's a commune).

I wouldn't, for a second, say that it was self-defense. It was always about keeping the same power divisions as before. Nothing more, nothing less.

[Collin Li]

enwiabe, I actually have no problems with you not being a professional, as long as you do not exercise the powers of an administrator or moderator with it. Be professional when using your administrative powers. I'm not implying anything, or accusing you of any wrong here, I'm just saying what I think you should do.

[ninwa]

Sigh, guys, please stop arguing about it. Both sides have their own opinions and it's obvious that neither side will concede to the other. And neither side is completely right or completely wrong.

Just calm down and walk away from this, it's pointless and unproductive. Can someone lock this thread?

[joshuamorgan]

I definitely agree with coblin. This site is indeed a business and you should act like a professional business man. That includes not arguing with your customers (members).

[enwiabe]

To that, I say, why? Why should I have to take crap from people like melanie.dee lying down? I'm going to argue my case. I'm going to get involved, and you can sure as hell bet that I will give back as good as I've taken. You may deem it to be unprofessional. I see it as the right of reply.

[melanie.dee]

enwiabe, I actually have no problems with you not being a professional, as long as you do not exercise the powers of an administrator or moderator with it. Be professional when using your administrative powers. I'm not implying anything, or accusing you of any wrong here, I'm just saying what I think you should do.

Yeh I think this is the sort of thing I'm trying to get at. Although not managing to articulate it clearly, as usual. Professional in your use of power as admin, professional in your actions as admin, yet not turning into some power wielding mad bandit at unnecessary moments. Balance. Hence my fun police comment.

Anyway I'm not sure why you are so determined to continue to argue, I conceded that if taken from your point of view, yes you can claim I'm a hypocrite, whatever, which clearly you are going to do. Not much point going around in a circle, obviously I see if from a different viewpoint, with you not quite grasping what I'm trying to say, and hence insinuating that I'm applying double standards and changing opinions, when I would argue that I'm not.

Ps. You don't have the power to retract any 'rights' from me on any issue, but you are welcome to disregard my opinion if you so wish. A bit silly, but go ahead.