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Calculus question....
« on: December 11, 2008, 03:49:13 pm »
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Differentiate with respect to x:


Tried it but unsure of what to let u equal.
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Re: Calculus question....
« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2008, 03:56:02 pm »
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Let , so then

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Re: Calculus question....
« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2008, 03:56:41 pm »
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What do you mean what to let 'u' equal? Hopefully you're not confusing diff with anti-diff here...normally I'd do this without having to define anything and just go straight for the chain rule in 1 line, but if you must, let cos(x+1) be u then and then chain rule it.
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Re: Calculus question....
« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2008, 03:57:06 pm »
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Let



(You can use chain rule to find this, if you can't see it)




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Re: Calculus question....
« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2008, 03:58:37 pm »
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thanks all, i got it now.
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Re: Calculus question....
« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2008, 04:00:24 pm »
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What do you mean what to let 'u' equal? Hopefully you're not confusing diff with anti-diff here...normally I'd do this without having to define anything and just go straight for the chain rule in 1 line, but if you must, let cos(x+1) be u then and then chain rule it.

I would normally do that but my teacher has given us questions that we have to use the long way and questions to do it the quick way.
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Re: Calculus question....
« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2008, 09:26:31 pm »
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Another question using the product rule.

Differentiate:


I can do most of it but hit a road block. :(
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Re: Calculus question....
« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2008, 09:34:12 pm »
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Let and

and






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Re: Calculus question....
« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2008, 09:37:21 pm »
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^
Thanks coblin,
I forgot to change the 4x to 2x!!
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Re: Calculus question....
« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2008, 11:38:19 pm »
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What do you mean what to let 'u' equal? Hopefully you're not confusing diff with anti-diff here...normally I'd do this without having to define anything and just go straight for the chain rule in 1 line, but if you must, let cos(x+1) be u then and then chain rule it.

Integration by u-substitution isn't in Methods anyway [as in the linear substitution form, which is in Specialist], whereas chain rule by this technique is in almost all the textbooks. (And I agree, I don't think the latter helps much!)
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Re: Calculus question....
« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2008, 11:44:12 pm »
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Ahah yeh didn't realise it was in the methods board; woops.
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Re: Calculus question....
« Reply #11 on: December 12, 2008, 12:11:41 am »
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Damo still need to be careful about it though, assuming if he is doing Spesh and MUEP Math next year =)

you should learn to do the Chain Rule without using a u-substitution. Whilst it doesn't change the answer, it can over-complicate things and make your workings unnecessarily big, it is almost necessary when you are in spesh and uni-math unless you can fit a lot of workings in a small space.
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Re: Calculus question....
« Reply #12 on: December 12, 2008, 01:02:38 pm »
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Damo still need to be careful about it though, assuming if he is doing Spesh and MUEP Math next year =)

you should learn to do the Chain Rule without using a u-substitution. Whilst it doesn't change the answer, it can over-complicate things and make your workings unnecessarily big, it is almost necessary when you are in spesh and uni-math unless you can fit a lot of workings in a small space.
Thanks for the advice Mao.

I can do most question without u-substitution but there are a few that I struggle to do it that way so I try it the long way.
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Re: Calculus question....
« Reply #13 on: December 13, 2008, 12:07:53 pm »
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Another one I'm stuck on.

Differentiate:


This is what I have done so far:











     

     

I think it is correct so far but I don't know where to go from here. Any help/explanation would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: Calculus question....
« Reply #14 on: December 13, 2008, 12:11:43 pm »
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Take out a common factor
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