Do you believe in god?

[brendan]

Brendan can advocate his own stance on the issue when he reads this otherwise my observations will lead to me to infer his beliefs from his posts.

I have not stated my beliefs. The only thing you can validly imply from nothing is nothing. You can infer from that whatever you like, but that doesn't automatically mean your inference is correct, valid or even reasonable.

his lack of questioning of arguments against the existence of God diminishes his neutrality (not self-proclaimed).

What has my "neutrality" have to do with the existence of a god or many gods? It has nothing to do with it at all. You are questioning me rather than the ideas and the arguments.

than his was.

What was my argument then? What are you referring to? Quote me. Go on.

I never claimed or asserted that my argument is true. ... Your assertion that that implies that I represent my argument is true is false, misleading and a misrepresentation of my argument.

The stupidity and incoherency of that post is self-evident. Indeed I agree that your arguments aren't true at all.

[costargh]

If a man makes  racist taunts repeatedly to another person but doesn't admit that they are racist then does that mean that they are not a racist because they have never said that they are?
Grow up. You know that people imply things from observations. Its your own choice to take the easy way out and not take a stance.
I am not implying from "nothing". I am implying from your posts.

[brendan]

I am implying from your posts.

Like I said, you can infer from my posts whatever you like, but that doesn't automatically mean your inference is correct, valid or even reasonable.

Then again, what are you implying from my posts? Go on state it.

[costargh]

Coblin what I am saying is that I cannot prove that everything must come from a starting point, I am merely saying that my suggestion is less flawed than Brendans. I cannot say something is true if I don't know the answer myself. I therefore make an informed opinion based on what seems more logical. Therefore a straw man was set up

[costargh]

I am implying from your posts that your stance is typically that you do not believe in the existance of any god. No need to get all defensive with your little "Go on state it".

[brendan]

I am merely saying that my suggestion is less flawed than Brendans.

Again what is this argument of mine that you are referring to? Go on quote me. I have never made any suggestions to the effect that you claimed. All you have done is attribute to me an argument and claim i never made, and then proceed to knock it down as if i had made that argument that is my friend is a straw-man.

"not everything must have a starting point" I will obviously assume that if I have made a claim to you to produce one solitary example of something that has existed without being created and you divert the question, then your implied argument that not everything has to have a starting point is weakened.

You can assume and infer all you like but that doesnt necessarily mean that your inferences are valid, or true. I never ever made any claim to effect that "not everything must have a starting point". Another straw-man.

[enwiabe]

As amusing as this thread was to begin with, it's just the same monotonous back and forth of the same tired crap over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again for 30 freaking pages and it's going nowhere.

Did any of you hear the one about the dyslexic, agonostic insomniac? He'd lay awake all night wondering if there really was a dog.

And like the dyslexic, agnostic insomniac we will just have to wonder about the doggy powers that be. Do they exist or not? None of us have the answer, and all this thread does is make me want to shoot something. Thread closed.

[brendan]

I am implying from your posts that your stance is typically that you do not believe in the existance of any god. No need to get all defensive with your little "Go on state it".

From what post? Quote it. I have never ever stated that there exists no god.

<admin action: enwiabe> - This was posted 4 seconds after my post and just before I locked the thread, thus it is staying (just to clear up any confusion as to why this appeared after mine). If costargh wants to continue this discussion with brendan, and likewise for all of you - the PMs are a fantastic way to do so.