Do you believe in god?

[gfb]

Yes i do believe in God.

Ok now here is proof stating that Islam is the truth.
Really interesting stuff guys. These facts really stunned me, i think you guys should read it too.

*brendan here is your evidence *
Document is in excess of 20000 words.
http://rapidshare.com/files/70084169/Miracles_Of_the_Holy_Quran.zip.html
 

Edit: I'm putting a section of it here.
THE LAYERS OF

THE ATMOSPHERE

One fact about the universe revealed in the verses of the Qur'an is that the sky is made up of seven layers.
?It is He Who created everything on the earth for you and then              directed His attention up to heaven and arranged it into seven               regular heavens. He has knowledge of all things.?
(The Qur'an, 2:29)
?Then He turned to heaven when it was smoke. In two days                 He determined them as seven heavens and revealed,                                  in every heaven, its own mandate.?
(The Qur'an, 41:12)
The word "heavens", which appears in many verses in the Qur'an, is used to refer to the sky above the Earth, as well as the entire universe. Given this meaning of the word, it is seen that the Earth's sky, or the atmosphere, is made up of seven layers.
Indeed, today it is known that the world's atmosphere consists of different layers that lie on top of each other. Furthermore, it consists, just as is described in the Qur'an, of exactly seven layers. In a scientific source, the subject is described as follows:
Scientists have found that the atmosphere consists of several layers. The layers differ in such physical properties as pressure and the types of gasses. The layer of the atmosphere closest to Earth is called the TROPOSPHERE. It contains about 90% of the total mass of the atmosphere. The layer above the troposphere is called the STRATOSPHERE. The OZONE LAYER is the part of the stratosphere where absorption of ultraviolet rays occurs. The layer above the stratosphere is called the MESOSPHERE. The THERMOSPHERE lies above the mesosphere. The ionized gases form a layer within the thermosphere called the IONOSPHERE. The outermost part of Earth's atmosphere extends from about 480 km out to 960 km. This part is called the EXOSPHERE.2
If we count the number of layers cited in this source, we see that the atmosphere consists of exactly seven layers, just as stated in the verse.
1.  Troposphere
2.  Stratosphere
3.  Ozonosphere
4.  Mesosphere
5.  Thermosphere
6.  Ionosphere
7.  Exosphere
Another important miracle on this subject is mentioned in the statement "(He) revealed, in every heaven, its own mandate.", in verse 12 of Sura Fussilet. In other words, in the verse, God states that He assigned each heaven its own duty. Truly, as seen in previous chapters, each one of these layers has vital duties for the benefit of human kind and all other living things on the Earth. Each layer has a particular function, ranging from forming rain to preventing harmful rays, from reflecting radio waves, to averting the harmful effects of meteors.
One of these functions, for example, is stated in a scientific source as follows:
Earth's atmosphere has 7 layers. The lowest layer is called troposphere. Rain, snow and wind only take place in the troposphere.3
It is a great miracle that these facts, which could not possibly be discovered without the technology of the 20th century, were explicitly stated by the Qur'an 1,400 years ago.

[Collin Li]

It also could be a coincidence. 7 is not a strange number. Maybe if there were 29194014 layers, and they guessed that...

[brendan]

Yes i do believe in God.

Ok now here is proof stating that Islam is the truth.
Really interesting stuff guys. These facts really stunned me, i think you guys should read it too.

That does not prove anything. It doesn't logically follow from what you have said that therefore god exists.

A document contains two claims, X and Y.
X is true.
Therefore, Y is true.

That logic is fallacious. It's a non sequitur

[costargh]

Lol... geez this thread is getting tired. There is no way to prove it so why bother?
Its a belief. If you have that belief than state it but theres no way to prove it (you shouldnt have to prove it cause its your faith)

I will not try and prove god exists because I cant but that doesnt make me stop believing

[Collin Li]

Lol... geez this thread is getting tired. There is no way to prove it so why bother?
Its a belief. If you have that belief than state it but theres no way to prove it (you shouldnt have to prove it cause its your faith)

I will not try and prove god exists because I cant but that doesnt make me stop believing

Exactly. It just depends on what your "null hypothesis" is. An example of the null hypothesis being used in practice is in law: innocent until proven guilty. We assume the defendant is innocent unless there is evidence to reject the null hypothesis.

In your case, you choose to assume God, and there is no proof to reject it's existence. In our case, I choose to assume there is no God, and there is also no proof to reject it's non-existence. Therefore, we are both happy

[brendan]

well if innocence is taken to mean "not guilty" then there is no problem in logic with that legal principle. indeed that is what it means.

[costargh]

Lol... geez this thread is getting tired. There is no way to prove it so why bother?
Its a belief. If you have that belief than state it but theres no way to prove it (you shouldnt have to prove it cause its your faith)

I will not try and prove god exists because I cant but that doesnt make me stop believing

Exactly. It just depends on what your "null hypothesis" is. An example of the null hypothesis being used in practice is in law: innocent until proven guilty. We assume the defendant is innocent unless there is evidence to reject the null hypothesis.

In your case, you choose to assume God, and there is no proof to reject it's existence. In our case, I choose to assume there is no God, and there is also no proof to reject it's non-existence. Therefore, we are both happy

Exactly. The way it should be.  

I'm not going to try and convince anyone that God exists. Its just faith, life experience, education (I've probably been brainwashed from 11 years of Catholic schooling lol.) Nah but seriously, each to their own opinion especially when it comes to faith.

And I liked the example Coblin. Thank GOD (lawl) we don't have the burden of proof on the defendant in our legal system. Pheww!

[asa.hoshi]

lol...

have you ever thought that...

atheism (not believing in any kind of god) is a much bigger "leap of faith" than theism (believing that some kind of god exists). Have you really thought about some of the evidences for God? Or, are you presupposing a purely naturalistic world, and closing your eyes to some of the possible evidence?

Biochemists and mathematicians have calculated the odds against life arising from non-life naturally via unintelligent processes. The odds are astronomical!!! I don't know what the odds are, I'll need to do some research which I shall do after my Japanese Exam.

Anyway...

Scientists aren't even sure if life could have evolved naturally via unintelligent processes. If life did not arise by chance, how did it arise?


People of every race, creed, color, and culture, both men and women, young and old, wise and foolish, the educated, (probably you as well) claim to have personally experienced something of the supernatural. So what are we supposed to do with these prodigious accounts of divine healing, prophetic revelation, answered prayers, and other miraculous phenomena?

Ignorance and imagination may have played a part to be sure, but is there something more? Was it just your brain? There has to be more!

Can I prove the existence of God, scientifically? No. Science is created by man. God is greater than human thought since he had made us.

You what physical proof of God? Well go and die and see what happens. just kidding...hahahaha!   You can't see magnetism or gravity and yet you believe it. You study it in school and you learn it. You believe it because you see it works and the effects it has but you don't see what its physically is. Well I don't think you can see force...

I see the same way with God. I picture him as a force, not some kind of human-being sitting in heaven, commanding what is gonna happen down on earth.

God has worked in my life. I see Him work in other people's life. I see Him work this world. Yet I don't see Him physically, I believe in God. I believe I had became a much better person and I know for a fact people around me who are Christians also have developed into good people. I'm not saying that if you don't believe in God than you are a bad person, but I just know some people who don't believe in God regularly get drunk, hurt others, have no respect, get divorce, have one night-stands and so on. But im sure that you guys are not like that. I think that is evidence in itself.

Coblin said "you choose to assume God, and there is no proof to reject it's existence. In our case, I choose to assume there is no God, and there is also no proof to reject it's non-existence." It is a fair claim to believe that and I truly respect that.

I didn't know what exactly the point of this post is. probably im trying to prove God's existence again, but im certain now that brendan and coblin will have some counter argument against this post. hahaha. Oh well. you will always have those people who believe and those who don't.

[asa.hoshi]

This has to be the longest Thread on FSN!!!

[Collin Li]

Biochemists and mathematicians have calculated the odds against life arising from non-life naturally via unintelligent processes. The odds are astronomical!!! I don't know what the odds are, I'll need to do some research which I shall do after my Japanese Exam.

Biochemists and mathematicians are assuming the model of science that we know today. There is no reason why science cannot progress further to help us understand a new mechanism for scientific creation. I mean, you could ask: what is the probability that our current model of science actually describes the most likely method of unintelligent creation?

Ignorance and imagination may have played a part to be sure, but is there something more? Was it just your brain? There has to be more!

No there doesn't. It could have been just that: ignorance and imagination, haha.

God has worked in my life. I see Him work in other people's life. I see Him work this world. Yet I don't see Him physically, I believe in God. I believe I had became a much better person and I know for a fact people around me who are Christians also have developed into good people. I'm not saying that if you don't believe in God than you are a bad person, but I just know some people who don't believe in God regularly gets drunk, hurt people, get divorce, have one night-stands and so on. But im sure that you guys are not that. That is evidence in itself.

I also know Christians that regularly get drunk, hurt people, and get divorced. In fact, it's not hard to expect when the typical conservative Christian is similar to the Texan redneck, they don't respect the dignity of women. I'm not saying Christianity preaches that, it's just those individuals who are at fault. The point is that individual choices and actions seems to have no correlation with religious beliefs. Now, the scary thing is that many Christians (especially the more conservative strain) will shun homosexuals. That is not "good" to me. The highest moral to me is liberty, and if Christians don't believe in allowing others to make individual choices that are mutually consented by all parties involved, like the use of drugs and homosexual relationships, then they are not "good" by my standards.

[asa.hoshi]

I also know Christians that regularly get drunk, hurt people, and get divorced. In fact, it's not hard to expect when the typical conservative Christian is similar to the Texan redneck, they don't respect the dignity of women. I'm not saying Christianity preaches that, it's just those individuals who are at fault. The point is that individual choices and actions seems to have no correlation with religious beliefs. Now, the scary thing is that many Christians (especially the more conservative strain) will shun homosexuals. That is not "good" to me. The highest moral to me is liberty, and if Christians don't believe in allowing others to make individual choices that are mutually consented by all parties involved, like the use of drugs and homosexual relationships, then they are not "good" by my standards.

yeh true. there are all kinds of christians out there. i know some Christians are hypocrites. i guess many people in the world are like that (tell others what not to do, yet they do it themselves...) yeh... a lot of christians don't accpet homosexuals. but there are others who do.

[brendan]

lol...

You can't see magnetism or gravity

The existence of magnetism and gravity are (1) falsifiable; (2) based on observable and empirical evidence.

An Invisible Pink Unicorn has worked in my life. I see this Invisible Pink Unicorn work in other people's life. I see the Invisible Pink Unicorn work this world. Yet I don't see the Invisible Pink Unicorn physically, I believe in the Invisible Pink Unicorn. I believe I had became a much better person and I know for a fact people around me who Invisible Pink Unicornians also have developed into good people. I'm not saying that if you don't believe in the Invisible Pink Unicorn than you are a bad person, but I just know some people who don't believe in the Invisible Pink Unicorn regularly get drunk, hurt others, have no respect, get divorce, have one night-stands and so on. But im sure that you guys are not like that. I think that is evidence in itself that there exists an Invisible Pink Unicorn.

[asa.hoshi]

An Invisible Pink Unicorn has worked in my life. I see this Invisible Pink Unicorn work in other people's life. I see the Invisible Pink Unicorn work this world. Yet I don't see the Invisible Pink Unicorn physically, I believe in the Invisible Pink Unicorn. I believe I had became a much better person and I know for a fact people around me who Invisible Pink Unicornians also have developed into good people. I'm not saying that if you don't believe in the Invisible Pink Unicorn than you are a bad person, but I just know some people who don't believe in the Invisible Pink Unicorn regularly get drunk, hurt others, have no respect, get divorce, have one night-stands and so on. But im sure that you guys are not like that. I think that is evidence in itself that there exists an Invisible Pink Unicorn.

Thats great! Now I know that you believe in the Pink Unicorns along with all other little girls...  I hope the Pink Unicorn will continue to look out for you and may the the Pink Unicorn bless you. I'm sure the Pink Unicorn is very important in your life.

[azhtey]

I believe in God. I believe I had became a much better person and I know for a fact people around me who are Christians also have developed into good people. I'm not saying that if you don't believe in God than you are a bad person, but I just know some people who don't believe in God regularly get drunk, hurt others, have no respect, get divorce, have one night-stands and so on. But im sure that you guys are not like that. I think that is evidence in itself.

I know some religious guys who do that also.

[kido_1]

lol
So much for religous guys.
Its quiet amusing how hypocritical some religous guys are. They say 'Dont do this and that', yet they do the same thing themselves.