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« Reply #120 on: April 15, 2009, 07:21:49 am »
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« Reply #122 on: April 16, 2009, 12:24:45 am »
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Also, I've heard scientists going on about how there's a strong correlation between the activities of the sun and the temperature on Earth. I don't really understand it myself, but there are other scientific explanations to global warming that make a lot more sense than carbon dioxide emissions. But I still think we should be looking at more sustainable energy regardless.

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Re: your thoughts on this so called global warming propaganda
« Reply #123 on: April 16, 2009, 12:31:41 am »
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http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/latest/5500091/science-garnaut-report-flawed-inquiry-told/

:D:D I TOLD YOU SO! AND COLLIN DID ALSO..

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« Reply #124 on: April 16, 2009, 01:13:47 am »
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Also, I've heard scientists going on about how there's a strong correlation between the activities of the sun and the temperature on Earth. I don't really understand it myself, but there are other scientific explanations to global warming that make a lot more sense than carbon dioxide emissions. But I still think we should be looking at more sustainable energy regardless.

let me explain a bit, actually let the lecturer from last yr explain a bit lol i think it relates to what ur saying

3 mechanism in which climate can vary and change

one of them is external factors which involve forcing of the system by environmental events or changes whose occurences are independent of the state of the system e.g., variations in the solar constant

the solar output is nearly constant over the last 1.8 million years... however the amount and distribution of solar radiation actually impacting the Earth varies due to our oritentation and orbit around the sun....

read about the milankovitch cycles... eccentricity (shape of Earth's orbit), obliquity (tilt of earth relative to solar plane) and precession (timing of the closest approach to the sun).... the full changing of the axial tilt occurs every 41000 year which effects seasonal strength.... eccentricity (occurs 100,000yrs) actually effects total solar radiation received...by 0.2%, so there must be feedbacks to amplify such variations... 


ALSO

another external factor is sun spot variations

sunspots occur on regions of the sun that experience magnetism increases of two or three orders of magnitudem. this inhibits convection, so 500km deep, 4000-20000km pockmarks sppear on sun's surface. radiative temperature of 4.2-4.5k rather than the suns average 6k. sunspots appears darker and these can occupy up to 1-2% of solar surface. bright areas surround the sunspots, and these are responsible for the overall radiation from the sun being  greater when the sunspots are numerous. more sunspots leads to more solar output.
sunspot cycles last on average 11 years. so varies by about 0.1% over a sunspot cycle which would correspond to a mean change of about 0.2 degrees at the Earth's surface if nothing else changes. ....... sun varies on scales of billion>11 years. however over the last 150 years, total output has varied by only 0.1%, uv portion has varied by 300%, which perhaps has amplified a feedback. thus mayeb responsible for some variability but not since 1980!.  climate change in the last 10,000 years likely linked to sunspot activity and volcanic activity.... climate cahnge in the last 100 years strongly indicative of anthropogenic green house gases.
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« Reply #125 on: April 16, 2009, 01:15:13 pm »
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http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/latest/5500091/science-garnaut-report-flawed-inquiry-told/

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« Reply #126 on: April 18, 2009, 01:52:29 am »
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/science/article2195538.ece

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Re: your thoughts on this so called global warming propaganda
« Reply #127 on: April 18, 2009, 10:21:47 am »
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http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/latest/5500091/science-garnaut-report-flawed-inquiry-told/

:D:D I TOLD YOU SO! AND COLLIN DID ALSO..

"Climate change is almost certainly happening. There is strong scientific evidence that climate change is happening right now and we should take preventative measures right now, lest our children suffer." - Glockmeister, Behavioural Neuroscientist.

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There is that, lol

But another interesting thing is, a geologist says the report writers did not have scientific background/competence, but how does that invalidate scientific accuracy? Just because you are not a scientist means you can't get it right?

At no point in that article do I find the science behind the reports being criticised, it's all just, 'they're not scientists'.
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« Reply #128 on: April 18, 2009, 10:38:08 am »
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  Can someone scrutinize the 'science' here? kthx
 http://vcenotes.com/forum/index.php/topic,12507.0.html

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« Reply #129 on: April 23, 2009, 06:55:13 pm »
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Lets not kid ourselves: there is no climate model complicated enough to explain this type of climate change with a great degree of certainty.

Many studies try to show the significance of some models, which actually puts statistics at the forefront of global warming research. Only recently, the cutting edge developments in global warming research are headed by econometricians, who scrutinise all the data and diagnose particular statistical patterns which must be treated (heteroskedacity, autocorrelation, etc.), in order to figure out appropriate statistical models which stamp out all the irrelevant factors and unwanted biases.
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« Reply #130 on: April 23, 2009, 07:03:10 pm »
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Lets not kid ourselves: there is no climate model complicated enough to explain this type of climate change with a great degree of certainty.

Agreed. The day computer models can accurately and correctly predict temperature to the nearest tenth of a dregree, exact wind speed, direction and change, and how much it will rain in the next week will they come close to accurately predicting climate change. Until then............
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Re: your thoughts on this so called global warming propaganda
« Reply #131 on: April 23, 2009, 07:07:35 pm »
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  Can someone scrutinize the 'science' here? kthx
 http://vcenotes.com/forum/index.php/topic,12507.0.html

Ahh, that article from that thread already mentioned what I was trying to say:

"the theory rests upon dubious computer modelling, which boils down to ‘rubbish in, rubbish out’"

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« Reply #132 on: April 23, 2009, 07:10:13 pm »
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Agreed. The day computer models can accurately and correctly predict temperature to the nearest tenth of a dregree, exact wind speed, direction and change, and how much it will rain in the next week will they come close to accurately predicting climate change. Until then............
That cannot happen due to the nature of the problem. Weather can never be predicted with accuracy (beyond a few days).

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« Reply #133 on: April 23, 2009, 09:56:17 pm »
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Agreed. The day computer models can accurately and correctly predict temperature to the nearest tenth of a dregree, exact wind speed, direction and change, and how much it will rain in the next week will they come close to accurately predicting climate change. Until then............
That cannot happen due to the nature of the problem. Weather can never be predicted with accuracy (beyond a few days).

unless we can take enough data from small enough intervals that avoid the butterfly effect... which is just impractical.
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« Reply #134 on: April 23, 2009, 10:24:48 pm »
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unless we can take enough data from small enough intervals that avoid the butterfly effect... which is just impractical.
Not impractical, impossible. Let me introduce you to someone who may or may not be my friend, Heisenberg...