Fat people have the right to a free 2nd seat: Court

[dusty_girl1144]

but how is charging "fat' people aiming to help or do anything benificial for that person?

maybe motivate them? it's not that hard to go to the gym once in a while...

and how about us skinny people? why can't we get another seat?

motivate a very few numbers... it sure as hell wouldnt motivate me.

and you dont get a second seat coz ur skinny duh

Discrimination? lol. I highly doubt that to qualify for a second seat you need to have a backside that is big enough to span the entire length of both seats, so essentially they get more room! Not fair in my opinion.
And if you don't think that you have a problem with your weight when you need two seats, you have more than a problem with your weight. Remember, you'd have to be exceptionally large to need two seats!

LOL. taking up 2 seats means that the arm rest isant able to go down

secondly why would skinny peoples need 2 seats for? they can fit in one ^^  so there is no need 

thirdly... it can be a genetic thing.... it doesnt necessarily have to be a eat till u grow the size of... that.

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but how is charging "fat' people aiming to help or do anything benificial for that person?

maybe motivate them? it's not that hard to go to the gym once in a while...

and how about us skinny people? why can't we get another seat?

motivate a very few numbers... it sure as hell wouldnt motivate me.

and you dont get a second seat coz ur skinny duh

Discrimination? lol. I highly doubt that to qualify for a second seat you need to have a backside that is big enough to span the entire length of both seats, so essentially they get more room! Not fair in my opinion.
And if you don't think that you have a problem with your weight when you need two seats, you have more than a problem with your weight. Remember, you'd have to be exceptionally large to need two seats!

LOL. taking up 2 seats means that the arm rest isant able to go down

secondly why would skinny peoples need 2 seats for? they can fit in one ^^  so there is no need 

thirdly... it can be a genetic thing.... it doesnt necessarily have to be a eat till u grow the size of... that.

If it's medical then I have no problem with it.
If it's their fault (laziness or eating too much), then I have a problem.
People should exercise man, it's good for you.

[jess3254]

^ They've found that many individuals who are morbidly obese have genetic disorders/ digestive disorders/ neurological disorders which cause it.

Edit: Also, sometimes people put on lots of weight when they need to go on certain drugs (such as prednisolone), sustain injuries which don't permit them to exercise/ move around for many months or are in circumstances where they are unable to exercise.

And it is certainly hard to determine whether an individual got fat from being "lazy" or due to adverse circumstances/medical issues. You shouldn't be the judge.

[bturville]

My point is, that that is fine up until the point where that act of charging different prices to different people discriminates so negatively and so unfairly against a section of society.

What are your thoughts on something such as concession tickets for students? What is it about being a student that allows them to get cheaper fares, when they take up the same amount of seat space, etc?

but how is charging "fat' people aiming to help or do anything benificial for that person?

maybe motivate them? it's not that hard to go to the gym once in a while...

and how about us skinny people? why can't we get another seat?

i don't think anybody is advocating it is for THEIR personal benefit. if someone is too large to fit in one seat because of decisions they have made regarding diet and exercise (however it is admittedly difficult to prove this), and that 2nd seat is being taken away from either a) another passenger or b) the airlines profits, surely that makes sense.

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Most people, apparently have genetic obesity. I have yet to meet someone who is morbidly obese, based on the pure fact that they ate too much McDonald's (Or whatever those people eat), and don't exercise appropriately. I wish I could help them, but I guess all these places (cinemas, buses etc) have given consideration to these people, and they should accept it gracefully, as they are recognised members of society.

Unless it's not genetic, then they don't really deserve such recognition; but still should have the right to privileges nevertheless.

[dusty_girl1144]

^ They've found that many individuals who are morbidly obese have genetic disorders/ digestive disorders/ neurological disorders which cause it.

Edit: Also, sometimes people put on lots of weight when they need to go on certain drugs (such as prednisolone), sustain injuries which doesn't permit them to exercise/ move around for many months or are in circumstances where they are unable to exercise.

And it is certainly hard to determine whether an individual got fat from being "lazy" or due to adverse circumstances/medical issues. You shouldn't be the judge.

exactly

so how are they meant to pick out whose tried to lose wait, has a medical condition or is lazy..

its impossible!


just dont go with making profit. thats harsh and disrespectful

[jess3254]

and how about us skinny people? why can't we get another seat?

Eh, maybe because you are able to fit on a standard sized seat and don't require 2 out of necessity?

That's like saying, "And what about us non-cancer people? Why can't we get chemotherapy which is subsidized? "

[costargh]

Why should the the courts or other law making bodies be able to tell them how to run their business :S

Surely the airlines would have their own policies on the matter and if they felt that they were ethically and morally obliged to provide the extra seat, they would. Also from a financial and business image viewpoint they may consider what kind of impact refusing to offer an obese passenger an extra seat may have on their hip pocket and their public image (which will lead to their hip pocket eventually).

There is no need to have anyone tell a business they should suffer financially for the convenience of others.

[suenoga]

There is no need to have anyone tell a business they should suffer financially for the convenience of others.
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That's such a ridicules statement. You’re essentially saying that whatever the circumstances businesses should put profit first. Would you advocate the abolition of the Tribunals and Courts set up to defeat discrimination?  If a company wants to charge more for women then men or more for a specific racial group, I think the legal system should step in and put a stop to it. I don’t care how it affects profit. Freedom can be given to businesses whilst still ensuring that their practices adequately protect all those in society.

[BA22]

Haha, no offence, but what kind of crap business would alienate half of its potential customers by charging women more then men, the courts wouldn't have enough time to shut them down, they'd go bankrupt first

[excal]

There is no need to have anyone tell a business they should suffer financially for the convenience of others.

That's such a ridicules statement. You’re essentially saying that whatever the circumstances businesses should put profit first. Would you advocate the abolition of the Tribunals and Courts set up to defeat discrimination?  If a company wants to charge more for women then men or more for a specific racial group, I think the legal system should step in and put a stop to it. I don’t care how it affects profit. Freedom can be given to businesses whilst still ensuring that their practices adequately protect all those in society.

Why do people start businesses?

...to make money.

[excal]

Haha, no offence, but what kind of crap business would alienate half of its potential customers by charging women more then men, the courts wouldn't have enough time to shut them down, they'd go bankrupt first

And this is how you should go about it. If you don't like it, vote with your wallet.

[suenoga]

There is no need to have anyone tell a business they should suffer financially for the convenience of others.

That's such a ridicules statement. You’re essentially saying that whatever the circumstances businesses should put profit first. Would you advocate the abolition of the Tribunals and Courts set up to defeat discrimination?  If a company wants to charge more for women then men or more for a specific racial group, I think the legal system should step in and put a stop to it. I don’t care how it affects profit. Freedom can be given to businesses whilst still ensuring that their practices adequately protect all those in society.

Why do people start businesses?

...to make money.

What’s your point?  Businesses have the right to make money. However, proper ethical standards must be met and therefore their are times where business must change their practices in order to benefit others.

[costargh]

There is no need to have anyone tell a business they should suffer financially for the convenience of others.

That's such a ridicules statement. You’re essentially saying that whatever the circumstances businesses should put profit first. Would you advocate the abolition of the Tribunals and Courts set up to defeat discrimination?  If a company wants to charge more for women then men or more for a specific racial group, I think the legal system should step in and put a stop to it. I don’t care how it affects profit. Freedom can be given to businesses whilst still ensuring that their practices adequately protect all those in society.

Why should a business who is set up TO MAKE PROFIT be disadvantaged because of someone elses problems? We aren't a communist state. Businesses don't owe anything to anyone. Firstly, airlines provide a service of flying customers domestically and internationally. Airlines have to weigh up the benefits against the costs of flying obese passengers in their aircraft. Of course, they will because they would alienate half the population if they didn't but that doesn't mean that the airline should be obliged to financially disadvantage themselves because of someone elses problems. If they feel they have a moral obligation to do so then sure why not; that's their strategic choice.
I seriously cannot see why obese people should be able to take two passengers worth of seats and only pay for one.

When they get to their destination and check into their hotel should the hotel be legally obliged to upgrade their single bed room to a queen size suite because they can't fit on the bed? I think not.

[suenoga]

So you think buisness  have the right to do whatever they want? Capitalism gives people the freedom to take part in the area of buisness they want, this is a good thing.  However unless proper moral standards are met, the legal system will no longer provide for those in need. It's a pretty straight-forward idea, I'm actually suprised that you would be oppossed to the opinion that Buisnesse's should receive some regulation on their pracitces. By the way, this is not in refrence to the issue at hand. (Airline thingy)