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Re: TrueTears question thread
« Reply #180 on: June 21, 2009, 12:23:14 am »
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Why is it that when a coil spins faster in a generator, the emf is larger?

Can you apply emf = Blv in this case? (Coz I thought Blv is only used in situations where you have a rod and it's falling through a magnetic field, in this case its a coil that's rotating so...)

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If the wire is spinning faster, then the same will be covered in a shorter , so the emf is greater.

Also with I have a hunch that the formula still works for rotating wires, but not 100% sure

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Re: TrueTears question thread
« Reply #181 on: June 21, 2009, 12:25:15 am »
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Why is it that when a coil spins faster in a generator, the emf is larger?

Can you apply emf = Blv in this case? (Coz I thought Blv is only used in situations where you have a rod and it's falling through a magnetic field, in this case its a coil that's rotating so...)

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If the wire is spinning faster, then the same will be covered in a shorter , so the emf is greater.

Also with I have a hunch that the formula still works for rotating wires, but not 100% sure
How would you prove emf = Blv still works?
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Re: TrueTears question thread
« Reply #182 on: June 21, 2009, 01:57:11 am »
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1. Why is it that when a coil spins faster in a generator, the emf is larger?

Can you apply emf = Blv in this case? (Coz I thought Blv is only used in situations where you have a rod and it's falling through a magnetic field, in this case its a coil that's rotating so...)

2. If a generator produces AC current then does this imply that the voltage is AC voltage?

3. Why does a DC motor contain DC current? The current is reversed each half turn by a split ring commutator, so doesn't that become AC current?

Is it because the terminals of the battery doesn't change (unlike generators), it is just the split rings which attach themselves alternatively to the 2 terminals of the battery hence the current is still DC but the it is just "manipulated" to reverse at each half turn?

4. Describe the function performed by a commutator in a DC generator.

I thought commutators are only used in DC motors???
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Re: TrueTears question thread
« Reply #183 on: June 21, 2009, 02:01:39 am »
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4. Describe the function performed by a commutator in a DC generator.
I thought commutators are only used in DC motors???

It makes the current generated unidirectional by reversing the output connections each half rotation when the current through the coil should change direction, hence making the output current DC.
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Re: TrueTears question thread
« Reply #184 on: June 21, 2009, 02:18:44 am »
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At the instant when the wire is horizontal, you can approximate it to be a rod falling through a magnetic field... well, at least, one side is falling up and the other is falling down.
Anyway...  I used in the derivation of and it worked out fine.
But that's not a formal proof? When a rod is falling don't you need it to be totally falling down? Not just parts of it?
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Re: TrueTears question thread
« Reply #185 on: June 21, 2009, 02:25:36 am »
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Anyway...  I used Blv in the derivation of emf = \frac{\Delta \Phi}{\Delta t} and it worked out fine.

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« Reply #186 on: June 21, 2009, 02:26:37 am »
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soz I edited my post before
I think expression is where is the angle with the horizontal so is the amplitude of the emf graph. Therefore by increasing you are dilating the graph and increasing the emf.

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Anyway...  I used Blv in the derivation of emf = \frac{\Delta \Phi}{\Delta t} and it worked out fine.

Can I see? :D

It's on the previous page
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Re: TrueTears question thread
« Reply #187 on: June 21, 2009, 02:29:35 am »
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What post???

Dw, I'll just remember when you increase the speed is smaller so emf is larger.
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Re: TrueTears question thread
« Reply #188 on: June 21, 2009, 02:37:40 am »
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q4.)

Generators "naturally" produce AC current (if you focus on the actual coil, it will always be AC no matter if you have a split ring, slip ring or fuck all). However we can change this AC into DC by making it such that the ends of the coil switch every half turn. By switching, I mean that the ends of the coil swap with each other the output-wire/terminal thingy that they are touching. SO the switch of connectioncancels out the "natural" change in direction of current. The split ring commutator, just like in DC motors, does this switching.

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It makes the current generated unidirectional by reversing the output connections each half rotation when the current through the coil should change direction, hence making the output current DC.

As pointed out by james23

In addition to that, it's a graph so it's always positive, but not constant. But still  apprently qualifies as DC
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Re: TrueTears question thread
« Reply #189 on: June 21, 2009, 02:43:30 am »
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Woah duuuuude wait what?

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« Reply #190 on: June 21, 2009, 02:45:08 am »
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Which MSN???

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Re: TrueTears question thread
« Reply #191 on: June 21, 2009, 02:46:24 am »
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Oh dear would you look at the time

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Re: TrueTears question thread
« Reply #192 on: June 21, 2009, 03:08:49 am »
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Re: TrueTears question thread
« Reply #193 on: June 21, 2009, 12:23:58 pm »
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i'm dropping physics at uni ASAP.  need to do more math.

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Re: TrueTears question thread
« Reply #194 on: June 22, 2009, 10:13:34 pm »
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Alright thanks for the helps guys ^^^^

emf = Blv , could you use this formula for a coil in a AC/DC generator (because what 'l' be? the length of the entire "bent" rod or the coils that's wrapped around it?) Or is it just for rods following through a uniform magnetic field?

Thanks!
« Last Edit: June 22, 2009, 10:24:07 pm by TrueTears »
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