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Private school students exploit uni entry scheme
« on: January 13, 2009, 08:18:40 pm »
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http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/elite-students-exploit-uni-entry-scheme/2009/01/11/1231608523331.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/minister-to-rethink-hsc-special-provisions/2008/12/31/1230681578203.html

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/in-the-know-debate-rages-over-hsc-legup/2008/12/29/1230399131568.html

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/private-schools-accused-of-rorting-hsc/2008/12/28/1230399045680.html

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/athletes-claim-bonus-marks-in-hsc-says-greens-mp/2009/01/12/1231608616273.html

ELITE sporting students are among those applying for bonus marks for university entry under a special consideration system that private school students in particular appear to be exploiting.


Their evidence? That private school students are given special consideration at a higher proportion than State school students.
 
The Sydney Morning Herald has sunk to all new low when it comes to journalism.
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Re: Private school students exploit uni entry scheme
« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2009, 08:22:45 pm »
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That's bs though. Some people really need SEAS, and I hate when people exploit such things like that :(

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« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2009, 08:23:42 pm »
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No, I have seen this happen. I was disgusted at the attempts of some of my peers to garner SEAS consideration for problems that did not exist or were exaggerated for the purpose of exploiting a system that was supposed to ensure parity. It's about time someone blew the whistle on this.
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« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2009, 08:26:50 pm »
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No, this isn't about SEAS, this is the VIC equivalent of VCAA giving you extra reading time or breaks in the exam.

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« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2009, 08:27:36 pm »
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My school refused to sign off on my Special Consideration form (Year 11 + 12) because my marks weren't 'shit enough'. WTF

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« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2009, 09:15:58 pm »
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No, this isn't about SEAS, this is the VIC equivalent of VCAA giving you extra reading time or breaks in the exam.

Yup, they did it for special consideration too. I know of at least two people who were allowed to use laptops who were faking it.

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« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2009, 11:39:24 pm »
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No, this isn't about SEAS, this is the VIC equivalent of VCAA giving you extra reading time or breaks in the exam.

Yup, they did it for special consideration too. I know of at least two people who were allowed to use laptops who were faking it.
How did that happen, what were their "reasons for needing" a laptop, and where was the authority behind those reasons -diagnosis, doctor's statement?
No, I have seen this happen. I was disgusted at the attempts of some of my peers to garner SEAS consideration for problems that did not exist or were exaggerated for the purpose of exploiting a system that was supposed to ensure parity. It's about time someone blew the whistle on this.
  Yeah, I knew someone who had received centrelink payments and was hence eligible for SEAS because his parents had been overseas for a year, but he was hardly poor -living in a trendy part of Bendigo, having a spa and getting his friend a drum kit for his birthday :P

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« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2009, 11:59:19 pm »
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No, this isn't about SEAS, this is the VIC equivalent of VCAA giving you extra reading time or breaks in the exam.
WTF? THAT'S FUCKIN UNFAIR! I MEAN YOU CAN EXPLOIT THE SYSTEM TO AN EXTENT, BUT RIGGING IT, WELL THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT FUCKING STORY.

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« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2009, 09:29:25 am »
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At least one Sydney medical clinic is promoting a service that, for about $600, will give students a completed application form for special consideration by the Board of Studies and the Universities Admissions Centre.

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« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2009, 01:25:58 pm »
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At least one Sydney medical clinic is promoting a service that, for about $600, will give students a completed application form for special consideration by the Board of Studies and the Universities Admissions Centre.

Haha, oh come on. Funny how they couldn't provide the name of this so-called medical clinic. That's rather convenient. If a medical clinic offering patients fraudulent medical documentation really did exist, the doctors and health specialists involved with be investigated, de-registered and charged in a flash.

Utter rubbish.

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Re: Private school students exploit uni entry scheme
« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2009, 01:28:27 pm »
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yeah the whole medical thing is a bit strange. i know there are genuine people who are sick or broken or something. but at the same time there are people like my friends ex who "has a sore arm" and so is allowed to use a laptop.

however, they shouldnt make it harder for those living in rural areas or whose family are in reciept of benefits. these people genuinelly need help.


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« Reply #11 on: January 17, 2009, 02:09:45 pm »
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No, I have seen this happen. I was disgusted at the attempts of some of my peers to garner SEAS consideration for problems that did not exist or were exaggerated for the purpose of exploiting a system that was supposed to ensure parity. It's about time someone blew the whistle on this.

Yeah, I agree. There are people out there who will attempt to cheat the system, which is despicable. However, exploiting special consideration isn't exclusive to private schools. I am sure this occurs in both public and catholic schools, too.

Yes, a high proportion of students who receive special consideration are from private schools, however it is not necessarily evidence of a trend where private schools are exploiting the special consideration system. Perhaps it's due to the better resources and pastoral care available at private schools, as teachers may be more likely to identify struggling students and inform them of the special consideration schemes available. I was speaking to an old acquaintance a few weeks ago who attends my old school (the local secondary college), and she has unstable type 1 diabetes (it has strongly impacted on her education). She said she had a hypo during one of her exams, and just had to solider on, but much to her disappointment, she got a SS of 29 in that subject. I asked her why she didn't get rest breaks, and she said she had no idea she could apply for them. I asked her whether she applied for SEAS, she said she'd never heard of it.

That's one possible interpretation of the statistics anyway. Of course there are students who successfully deceive the system and apply for special consideration when they don't need it, however I'm pretty sure the vast majority of applicants would genuinely require SEAS/ special provisions. Getting supportive medical documentation when you don't have a problem is more difficult than it's made out to be.
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Re: Private school students exploit uni entry scheme
« Reply #12 on: January 17, 2009, 02:13:40 pm »
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gosh that poor girl. that would have been torture on her. stories like that make you realise that statistics really mean nothing when you dont know the true stories behind them


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Re: Private school students exploit uni entry scheme
« Reply #13 on: January 17, 2009, 08:38:13 pm »
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I think that all the committee holds all the power, and these schools should be free to apply for every single one of their students. However, the criteria should be more rigorous and the process of gaining special consideration should be made so thorough and tedious that only those who truly need it will apply.

There are two problems:

- $$$$
- certain classes of people needing SEAS are already fragile enough without needing to go through a tedious process
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